Immigration reform 2010 is a hot issue for Obama, but democrats aren't standing as close to the president as they have with other political issues such as healthcare reform and unemployment extensions. President Obama wants to "punish" current "illegal" aliens by allowing them to become citizens, making them pay taxes and a fine, learn English, and get in the "back of the line" for citizenship.This is supposed to be a "punishment" but there's a couple of questions - how can you enforce the payment of the fine and back taxes? Isn't this treatment pretty much giving the people who entered our borders illegally exactly what they wanted?
Such treatment angers many people who have been born and raised in America, therefore are voting citizens. Remember, citizens can vote - illegals can't. Therefore, politicians who rely on the voting public for their livelihood are going to stay more in line with what they want.
Comprehensive immigration reform will take a long time to work its way through the government. Something needs to be done especially after the nation was so divided after the Arizona immigration law was passed. What needs to be done hasn't been worked out.
Democrats are hesitating and staying close to Republicans on the issue. It could be because they are choosing their battles wisely, or it could be because Obama's suggestion isn't what they feel would be best for the voting public.
Expect immigration reform to be the next big battle in Washington, especially if Obama is elected to a second term and the issue hasn't been ironed out within the next couple of years.
The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?
ReplyDeleteStop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.
Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html
GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax; http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html
Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States
City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html
Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html
TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html
Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrnats. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111807rby:e428513:
ReplyDeleteThe Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/ImmigrationCSR26.pdf
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/images/File/factcheck//EconomicsofCIRFullDoc.pdf
Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.
The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.
Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.
The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.
Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.
But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.
According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.
Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrnats. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111807rby:e428513:
ReplyDeleteThe Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/ImmigrationCSR26.pdf
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/images/File/factcheck//EconomicsofCIRFullDoc.pdf
Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.
The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.
Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.
The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.
Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.
But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.
Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrnats. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111807rby:e428513:
ReplyDeleteThe Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/ImmigrationCSR26.pdf
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/images/File/factcheck//EconomicsofCIRFullDoc.pdf
Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.
The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.
Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.
The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.
The Undocumented don't have a CARD they show That says UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT and NOT PAY THE SAME TAXES AS YOU AND ME when the buy FOOD,CLOTHING, GAS,CIGARETTES,Appliances, Shoes, Toys, EVERYTHING. They even pay CITY TAXES, because they pay RENT and their LANDLORD PAYS CITY TAXES. STOP THE FOOLISH IGNORANCE & HATE.
ReplyDeleteTime for action...just too much talk..
ReplyDeleteExactly...Anonymous....it is only Ignorane and Hate...like Chris Matthew on HARDBALL says, "Angry White People". What are you angry about?
And what do they mean by Undocumented. No Legal Status? Many have legal documents, such as SSN, Drivers License, etc..which many have acquired legally, but they do not have Legal Permanant Residence" status..Why?
The Government has no problem taking the money from the Undocumented Immigrants, in the form of the various "Taxes" but they say do not give them "Legal Status".
Who is the bigger hypocrite and thief.
These people are deserving to become Lawful Permanant Residents and I am increasingly dissappointed that President Obama is treating immigration with such delay.
President Obama, give these people "Temporary Employment Authorization and Residency so they feel secured and safe as they continue to work hard and make their contribution to this great nation of ours... while the Federal Goverment work on a longterm plan to deal with illegal entry to the US..
Enforcing more immigrations laws and not protecting those immigrants who have been living here for many years and have families to take care of, only places them in the same situation as and someone that just arrived illegally. It is not fair..
I know of five professionals that lost their jobs recently when the company they worked for ,for over five years, started to use e-verify. Now these intelligent professionals are out of work and unable to pay their mortgages, provide for their children, etc..These people have been living in the USA for over fifteen years, and it took a recent change in the immigration law to take away their lifelihood. See how unfair and broken the immigration system is?
It is all politics, and the only way I will have any more confidence in our president is to see him be the one to reform immigration in the USA. Start somewhere and start now.
...and just to be clear....these five professionals I heard about are Out-Of-Status immigrants living in the US. Each situation is different, so do not pass blanket opinions. Know the facts. There are many more people pout there losing their jobs, so the Federal Goverment should provide these people with Employment Authorization and Permanant Legal status to secure their jobs before passing more immigrations laws or state bills that are disrupting these people lives.
ReplyDeleteIF AMERICANS didn't do anydrugs s(sponsoring...the cartels) the cartels wouldn't be at the borders and also forgot to mention THAT THE AMERICAN DREAM IS ALSO THANKS TO THE ILLEGALS WHY? BECAUSE THROUGH THEM AMERICANS CRREATED WEALTH!! SO THE SITUATION IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE NOT TO ITS GOV SO NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN TO BE AN AMERICAN IS TO SCREWED UP AD BALME THE GOV AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE WE E=XPLOITED AS THE BLCKAS WERE.........
ReplyDeleteIllegal Immigrants DO NOT PAY MORE TAXES.They work illegally and do not pay any taxes except when they buy something,but it is nothing compare to what we pay! Having driving license and etc. do not make illegal people legal. We forget that entering country without visa is a crime. What are we talking about? What about legal immigrants who pay thousands of dollars to become legal? Anybody ever thought about them? In state of present economy illegals take jobs from americans.
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ReplyDeleteWhat gives an illegal alien (a lawbreaker as they are when they came into the U.S. "illegally") the right to deserve, what you say, is a Lawful Permanant Resident?
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
•Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
•Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
•Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
I don't care you pay your taxes on the things you buy, rent, and own. You broke the law coming into our country and don't deserve anything - end of story.
Why would we want to give anything to these lawbreakers other than a swift kick in the pants and a ride back to their own country. We didn't ask you to come here, sneaking across our southern border, and trying to "grab" and take what whatever you want. We don't WANT you here - go home...
From Doug........
From Doug -
ReplyDeleteOur immigration laws are NOT BROKEN and we don't need "comprehensive immigration reforms." We need our elected officials to enforce the current laws and punish those who hire the illegals in the first place.
Hiring illegals at a reduced wage is nothing more than modern day slavery and should not be permitted.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform = amnesty for lawbreakers. We don't need THESE lawbreakers to do anything but "leave" and leave now.
Hate. Emotions drive us all. Your mother scolds you when your young. You feel oppressed, ashamed, angry. You grow up, branch out from your family and form your own. It is people like you Doug, with all due respect, who do not control your emotions. You rather let them control you. I am not your parent to scold you; i am not the right person to "fight" you off. I control my emotions; I control my life.
ReplyDeleteYou wake up one day, happy that your going off to some trip. You do not worry about being stopped by drug dealers, maniacs, or immigration officers. You, as a kid, have fun. I am no one to decide what you deserve. I am not the one to prosecute you for anything you've done ILLEGALLY.
You live here. Afraid of change. The connections you make last you a life time. Or do they?
I hope to one day fight for the liberties you so enjoy. I'm glad the United States is a country of promised hope. I , as a future Marine, will fight for the freedom of the people. Are you?
Doug, let your thoughts be free. "Southern border"? Hate on Hispanics? what about the rest?
Control yourself soon man. you are you. I am me. You do not manage my life. I do not interrupt yours. You are a United States Citizen enjoying the values of a free man. I am a 10 yr illegal immigrant trying to defend your country. Now tell me, would you do that for mine if the economics were reversed? Its not that simple my friend. Life must go on. Forward as always. Are you faithful to your country founded on immigrants? I am always faithful to our country. The Marines couldn't have said it any better. Semper Fidelis.
From Doug to Anonymous, the soon to be Marine,
ReplyDeleteHate? Not in my lifetime. I might strongly dislike something (or illegal aliens) but no hate.
Congrats on reflecting what "you" think in how emotions drive our thoughts, acts, and feelings. Although you (and others) may think I'm not controlling my emotions, I am. I'm not swearing, I'm not typing in CAPS as I'd like to do, nor am I threatening the use of violence. I control my expressions other than hoping all illegals (which means you too) get their butts kicked out of the U.S.
You make me wonder when you start talking about not being my parent to scold you, fight you off, having to be stopped by drug dealers, maniacs, or immigration officers. Who in the heck cares? You are the illegal alien going to be the Marine and expect to fight for the freedom of the people? Somebody in your family broke the law by coming into the U.S. illegally...... End of story. With you still being an illegal, you deserve to be expelled but yet you plan on joining the Marines? The service must be hard up for new recruits since the time I enlisted and yes, I served my country - all 22 years of it and in many foreign countries where even hot and cold running water was a luxury.
My current emotions, since you brought it up, also includes "anger" since you apparently feel nothing as you break the law by remaining in the U.S. and then still call it "your" country. How can you call it your country when you are an illegal alien? I don't care from what country you come from and I often use the southern border as my reference point for their main entry point. But what I failed to talk about is where over 200 Chinese illegals were caught during the first quarter sneaking into the U.S., as some might think you did too at one time. The INS listing goes on from at least 30 other countries where the illegals have come from. I might be using Hispanics as they have the largest catch ratio than others do have.
You're not the one to prosecute me for anything I've done "illegally?" Good. Since you are an illegal and don't vote as an American Citizen, who is to say you have any right to say what should be done or not? The only "change" I live for is when Congress decides to follow the laws of the land and expel all illegals, including the ones who have overstayed their visas (and there are a whole bunch of these law breakers too).
When you stated, "Now tell me, would you do that for mine if the economics were reversed?" Quite frankly - I simply don't care. You broke the law coming into the U.S. and with your continued stay. Why are you changing the subject away from being an illegal and don't deserve or have the right to "anything" being in our country?
You broke the law. Why do I have to change? Why do I have to feel anything for you or any other illegal alien?
Am I faithful to my country since it was founded on immigrants? Who are you, as an illegal alien, to even ask me about it? Legal immigrants follow a process and don't cut ahead of others by sneaking into the U.S. My family came as legal immigrants - how do I know - I asked my grandfather how he came in when he was still alive.
Question for you. How can you say "always faithful to our country" while being an illegal alien? What makes a person "faithful" to a country? Which country are you faithful too anyway - the one you are from or the one you're currently "illegally" residing?
I finally agree with you on one thing - the Marines couldn't have said it any better - Semper Fi. But as an illegal alien you'll never be an American since you have no respect for our laws - immigration law.
Dough you might have fought for the US but you are not behaving as an american......if you definition of an illegal is that then the founding fathers are also illegals with anything they created to the point you grandparents were received by their system. I fought WWII and I remember illegals enlisting..........this lad has been defended by illegals as well so your opinion does hold water!! byt the way I am sure one in some point of your life you smoke pot so therefore you sponsored the cartels so you created this problem ....most people i know nowadays in the military are brainless once they go back into the civilian world,,,,,........
ReplyDeleteTo WWII from Doug
ReplyDeleteSo glad "you" think I'm not behaving like an American. You are allowed your opinions and I'm allowed mine. I'm totally against all illegal aliens including those who served in our military - end of story. Illegal is just that - illegal. They don't deserve anything but yet start yelling for their rights. Ya, right.
My opinion not holding water? Go figure. So what illegals served in the military and will do so as the guy wanting to go in the Marines. What part of illegal don't people understand just makes me wonder what the hey people are thinking. So you'd be okay if a lawbreaker stood along side of you serving in WWII? What kind of morales do you think they will have? If they break one law, they'll break more in my humble opinion. My opinion is still that - right or wrong, it's "my" own and I don't expect anybody to give a crap.
I have NEVER smoked pot or did any other illegal drugs. That's not my thing; hell, I might have a beer once a week.....so you are barking up the wrong tree WWII.
WWII - it's pretty darn rough when you say, "most people i know nowadays in the military are brainless once they go back into the civilian world." That's pretty darn sad how you feel about those who fought and died for your country. Freedom is not free and you just bitch slapped all veterans. You my friend, in my little mind and humble opinion to match, are quite a rare piece of work.
Wow, it's unbelievable that there are monsters like Doug running around. Touch your heart man and I hope you never have to go through some of the difficulties these immigrants face. God bless you.
ReplyDeleteDough and what do you think happen in the revolutionary war? one country against another one....ha!
ReplyDeletedough you have been babysat by the military you are no american to me! you and the citizens betrayed this country by not enforcing the laws......you like ev.you are as good as a piece of wood as you like everybody else blames the gov for failing enforcement......BUT where were you or the citizens.....you live in lala land.....the illegals came because they were invited and citizens created wealth by exploiting them YOU OWE THEN THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THIS COUNTRY I got news for you my ancestors funded the american revolution and other wars does anybody remember them NO SO ....you are nothing compaqre to my ancestry or me int the WAR and nobody is knocking on my door to pay respect SO nobody cares if you fought in the war, not even the government did you know that!!? everybody goes and does his/her business......you are worth NOTHING! to anybody remember that!!!
ReplyDeleteYou want to help economy? You need stimulus for it's growth? DO IMMIGRATION REFORM!!!
ReplyDeleteTO: Anonymous July 6, 2010 12:04 AM
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
Monster? Wow. Freedom of speech is a tough pill to swallow, huh? To those illegals aliens who face "those difficulties" - you came to this country illegally and deserve all that you receive.
God bless everyone - even those that happen to disagree with that monster called Doug.
TO: Anonymous if July 6, 2010 1:25 AM
ReplyDeleteFrom: Doug
What? Revolutionary war and one country against another? And somebody thought I was a dope smoker....
TO: Anonymous of July 6, 2010 1:32 AM
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
Babysat by the military? Wow. Is this WWII or another person who had a terrible time adjusting to military service? I can't figure out what other reason you "sling dung" on the military. As in any BIG business (yes, the military branches are like big business) there always those who don't know their front or behind, nor which end is up. So what has your shorts all wound up? Free speech, I think, huh?
Not an American? Really? Guess my tough stance on illegals must have hit a nerve. They break the law coming into this country and all the other activities they bring with them but then protest for comprehensive immigration reform. This hits my nerve as totally wrong.
What? Illegals came because they were invited? Invited by whom? Legal immigrants are "invited" through the use of the quota system (which is a whole another story). Illegal aliens cross the border in hope of improving their lives. What's wrong with that? I t i s i l l e g a l!!!!
I owe illegal aliens the American Dream and this country? You have got to stop smoking too much weed my young man. They break our laws by coming and staying in the U.S. "uninvited."
Your ancestors funded the american revolution and other wars? Really? Tell me how. Through their taxes? Please tell me how they funded American Revolution. I'd sure like to know so I don't make any more assumptions.
As a veteran I don't ask, demand or need anybody's permission to feel proud of my service to the country. Yes, there are bad wars and bad leaders. Sling mud as you may on veterans or keep smoking all that dope, you don't bother me in the least.
Worth nothing to anybody? All I say is: Who cares? I know who I am and don't need your approval or disapproval of what I say or do. Remember that (or not) my young man......
TO: Anonymous of July 6, 2010 2:50 PM
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
I don't want to help the economy. The Democratic leaders are going to break us and it's happening before our eyes.
Need stimulus for it's growth? By doing immigration reform? If we get rid of the illegal aliens we will have all kinds of money left over to provide for the U.S. Citizens and "legal immigrants" who made this country what it is.
Just alone in Arizona it was estimated the cost of illegal immigration exceeds $2.7 billion annually. Six years ago, the organization put that cost at about $1.3 billion.
What do illegal aliens bring to the table in Arizona? State tax revenue collected from illegal immigrants amounts to only about $143 million annually, leaving a deficit of more than a $2.7 billion.
Yup... if you need stimulus for it's growth? DO IMMIGRATION REFORM by following our current laws and deport ALL illegal aliens.
For all of those who want illegal aliens to come and stay in the U.S. I have only one suggestion.
ReplyDeleteYou pay an extra tax, let's say $5,000 a year just to start out, to help pay for them to stay and won't put a drain on those who DON'T want them here. If this amount isn't enough as time goes by, we can adjust it to the actual costs involved (schools, health care, etc.).
Come on..... what do you say? Isn't this fair now?
TO: Anonymous of July 6, 2010 5:41 PM
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
For whatever it's worth (or not) I can live with this. But I think $5,000 a year won't be enough; it will cost a "whole lot more" than this.
Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council.
In Texas, where the state comptroller estimates illegal immigrants cost hospitals $1.3 billion in 2006, the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston is considering denying cancer care to such immigrants.
So as you see......$5,000 a year just won't make it my young man.....
dough democts breaks us?you mean the republicans r destroyimg and will destroy this country
ReplyDeleteTO: Anonymous of July 6, 2010 6:51 PM
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
I stand corrected.....Democrats are doing it now to us and the Republicans did it to us for 8 years before that. BUT the current administration is borrowing more money than ANY OTHER PRESIDENT OR ADMINISTRATION in our history and there is NO END IN SIGHT.
Destroying us? you better believe it and the Democrats will spend us in to oblivion.
dough you are the typical military man babysat by the system, a yes man like McCain, you are a dope smoker, a drunk, nobody cares if you fought for this country you are obsolete remember that!!
ReplyDeleteAs I said Dough thinks the republicans are the answer REALLY!!!?? THE PARTY OF NO!!! just like him with no brains!!
ReplyDeleteTO: Anonymous of July 7th - 2:31am
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
Sticks and stones my young man, sticks and stones. Life is good when you don't like the message so you try to take down the messenger. Typical when you can't even respect yourself. Nice job.
TO: Anonymous of Jul 7, 4:29pm
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
Sticks and stones; hope you get help for that psychiatric condition you have - mental constipation. Good job...
Hey Dough
ReplyDeleteI only agree with about 95% of what you been saying. Our "major" problem with the illegal aliens are those who hire them. If our current laws were enforced, those who hire them would be off to jail or paying big fines. If they didn't hire the illegals then they would self-deport themselves.
Have to say I really think Arizona has done the right thing; they have a huge problem and needed to fix it. The feds should get off of Arizona's back.....
Dough....... I didn't get to join the military like I wanted since I had a pin in my hip but I'm proud of our military folks. Don't let the potheads try to get to you.
Dough
ReplyDeleteI agree with your message above where if people who want the illegals here should be paying for all their needs.....healthcare, schooling, food. I don't want to pay for it but since YOU want them here why don't you put your money where your MOUTH is at? Didn't think so, all wind as usual.
Dough: I agree with you about how much money is being borrowed, too much. My five grandkids will be paying off the Democratic majorities stupidity. Thanks a lot Obama.
dough is obvious when you were born they dropped you and since then you brains got stuck in your rear....the military that is the only thing you ever were good for a yes man!! what a waste of your life!!!
ReplyDeleteDough now it is clear that when you were born the nurse dropped you and your brains got stuck in your rear....you think like a military......if in the army you might get a C but in the real world you are not even qualified for a D..just like McCain.....you both losers!
ReplyDeleteDough - It's obvious you ticked off the guy with your military service or he's just in love with you. Be careful if he asks for a date, he may be one of those heavy breathers I've heard about.
ReplyDeleteTO: Anonymous of July 8, 2010 9:49 PM
ReplyDeleteI probably did tick him off as you say but I don't need a date, he's too boring. He keeps saying the same things lately. No imagination.
You are probably right about the heavy breathing. Is there anybody out there who wants first dibs on him - you are more than welcome.
from Doug
ReplyDeleteIf President Obama wants to "punish" current "illegal" aliens he can send them all home by not allowing companies to hire them. Catch the companies hiring the illegal, fine them (big), and make them learn English. Maybe then they'll be able to read our current laws or better yet, they won't take advantage of the illegals.
It's a great joke to enforce the payment of the fines and back taxes; who will keep tabs of the money? Our government can't keep track of those who come in with VISAs and then don't leave. They can't keep track of the money spent by gov't contractors in the Iraq War to do their jobs helping our troops. They can't keep track of the money spent on the bailouts and where it all went.
Now you are asking them to keep track of 10-20 million illegal aliens going through the Comprehensive Immigration Reform?
Now look who is dreaming.
Amazing dough! where is your patriotism and faith to our country one minute you are proud of it next you critize you generals........amazing ust like McCain A FLIP FLOP!!!
ReplyDeleteTO: The McCain Flip Flop
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
Again, you are sidestepping the issue by attempting to poke fun at me... go ahead. I've take worse from better people than you. Sticks and stones my young man....sticks and stones.
Did you even read the title?....Immigration Reform 2010 News: Democrats and Hesitation.
Go Arizona. Send what you can to:
Office of the Governor
Attn: Border Security and Immigration Legal
Defense Fund
1700 W. Washington
Phoenix AX 85007
Do a Google on the AZ's governor's address - it is legit. I just sent $50 from our vacation fund. I'd be glad to send another $50 to help deport illegal aliens if there was such a fund.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform = amnesty!!!
From: Doug
ReplyDeletePlease remember one thing; illegal aliens are not just Hispanic......
From New York Times, By STEPHEN CEASAR
Published: January 22, 2010
In 2009, 11,628 of the Tucson sector’s 241,673 arrests were non-Mexican — nearly 5 percent, Mr. Jimarez said.
And this is only one sector - Tucson.
Our southern border needs to be secured...it would be nice if all 1,952 miles could be but that's a whole another story.
Hey McCain flip flop.... anything new or just the same old story? time will tell.....
Again you dough and your naive thinking yeah american send all your money to be taken by AZ go ahead don't eat be exploited dough where r you from? a thirld world country? you mut be stupid to play the politics and waste your money for womething they will not use it for...........you want to support AZ's financial bankrupt go ahead ....there is a difference between you and I.....unlike yours my genes come form the beggining of this place and yours just a wetback.....
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For those wanting to spend "their" money to help fight Obama sticking his nose into Arizona's business..... http://www.keepazsafe.com/
This website has you sign a statement of understanding explaining where you $$$ is going. It is something I should have added in my post showing only the address....sorry about that.
Using the word "wetback" is racist isn't it? You just slapped the faces of many people from south of the border...at least I'm up front and say "deport all illegals" based upon our federal laws. All illegals means those from other countries like China, Philippines, Brazil, India, Peru, Korea, Ireland, Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago,Poland, Pakistan, and heck, even Canada.
Info from Homeland Security at:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf
Nice job McCain Flip Flop....or should I say, slap, slap......
TO: McCain Flip Flop
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why don't you put your money where your mouth is at?
TO: Anonymous of July 6, 2010 5:41 PM. McCain Flip Flip wants your address so he can start sending in his money to help all the illegals stay in the U.S. OR better yet Flip Flop, how about send Uncle Sam your monthly check to help the illegals. They sure would put it to good use.......
Doug
ReplyDeleteThanks for the website you posted. I just sent $25 to Arizona to help fight the lawsuit against the feds (Obama). Wish I could send more.
James
Illegals do it again.....makes a whole lot of sense if you're living off of somebody else's dime, huh?
ReplyDeleteHey McCain Flip Flop...how about you helping out this illegal? You apparently want them here.
A man in the country illegally who committed a $27,000 identity-theft crime in Scott County was able to obtain tens of thousands of government dollars in medical assistance, including surgery for an inflatable penis pump.
In response to heightened concern about illegal immigration since a gang-related stabbing in Shakopee, Scott County Attorney Pat Ciliberto has been tallying known costs to taxpayers and gave this example.
“There’s no logical argument for why that should have been approved,” Ciliberto told county commissioners on Tuesday. “I don’t know how many illegal aliens are getting emergency medical assistance for such a procedure.”
http://www.shakopeenews.com/news/general_news/county_attorney_decries_costs_illegal_aliens-107
From: Doug
ReplyDeleteThank you Arizona. Finally somebody is doing something about the illegal aliens....
The Arizona legislature voted to take away the business licenses of employers who continue to knowingly hire illegal workers. To the surprise of many, a federal District Court judge and the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld that law, citing a provision in the 1996 law passed by Congress.
Dough you will always have people to take advantage of the situatirself smoking pot whenyou were in the service.........sunce youon like you are a YES MAN>>>>.....i have a suggestion for you ........
ReplyDeleteone way you can cut immigrtion is to have as many illegal boyfriends as possible to sacrifice your rear end for your country so that there will at least not be as many anchor babies....
by the way i agree on this guy......if an illegal commits a crime athen kick him/her out.....but the ones that built your house dough and you abuse and exploited for your american dream including the one that watched your back while in battle and in the military YOU OWE THEM!!! and by the way use your stick and stones for the suggestion above to add more variety in your joy .......:)I know you like that!
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FROM: Doug
Illegal boyfriends? You must have a lot of experience to talk about sacrificing your rear and must be an expert, huh? Please carry on about your conquests, I'm sure you've enjoyed yourself. But me, I'll just listen to your stories and stay away from your dreams.
I built my house with my brother, two uncles, and aunt. We didn't use any illegal's help. We built my uncle's place too. Tough luck McCain Flip Flop.
TO: McCain Flip Flop....same old story, nothing knew. It's sad.
Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council. While employers of illegal aliens rake-in billions of dollars, the US citizens subsidize what may be called organized "Slavery in 21st Century America."
We need to catch the employers and make them pay dearly for using the illegal aliens in such a way. We need to catch ALL illegal aliens and deport them NOW.
Hey McCain Flip Flop...put your money where your big mouth is at and support your illegal aliens since you want them here. Fat chance. Your probably are the ones hiring the illegals and giving them crap for pay.
I hope others read your post showing your racist comment. It is what it is.......sticks and stones.
We'll just call you "McCain Flip Flop" since you love him so much.
Doug
ReplyDeleteDon't go to McCain Flip Flop's bottom feeding level. Keep your posts on the subject and let him push the garbage.
Where are you getting your info on the costs of the illegal aliens from anyway? I didn't know there were so many illegals from other countries until you posted it with the Homeland Securities website.
We are in trouble with these illegals coming from our souther border; what happens if they include any terrorists is what makes me worried too.
James
James most citizens will be lied to.....as you said I didn;t konw.....and dough promotes hate and ignorance as his daddy McCain does...
ReplyDeleteas i told you dough go ahead and look for your sugar illegal daddy and you will be h appy for the rest of your life loser!!
ReplyDeletelast dough do you pay your taxes? most americans do NOT! the deficit, outsourcing the jobs and the banks are not the illegals' fault......oh i forgot you are the deadwood ignorant US citizen from the army that thinks everything he reads in the news is true! i wonder why we r in trouble in Afghanistan.........
ReplyDeleteThere are those that argue that illegal aliens make no contribution because they are parasites to governmental programs; they do not pay anywhere near the amount they take to make up for it. Another group argues that they pay more than they should because they will not be eligible for the Social Security they are paying for until their immigration status is resolved, if ever. Dr. William F. Ford a professor at Middle Tennessee State University and an expert on immigration and taxes assesses that (illegal immigrants contribute $428 billion dollars to the nation’s $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006.) “If anything we need more immigrants coming into the country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring,” said Ford ..............GUYS all of you have your opinions but there it goes.....the illegals are going to support dough in his elderly years.......don't forget to keep your boyfriend and your rear bumper ready to go............
ReplyDeletedough aren't you ashamed that most immigrants that are not born here do alot more than you have done in your lifetime? ain't that a b.....h!
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The last post where I listed the costs for illegal aliens came from: (The Cost of Cheap Labor)
http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2010/05/thoughts-on-staggering-cost-of-cheap.html
Each year, state governments spend an estimated $11 billion to $22 billion to provide welfare to immigrants. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8
And there are so many more. (and you are right about McCain Flip Flop and keeping to the subject matter)......thanks.
TO: Flip Flop
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As the economy worsens, the continual influx of illegals into our country along with government policies that place illegals in a more deserving capacity than citizens will cause these figures to grow, not lessen. That, and nothing else is the real cost of opposing immigration reform such as was passed in Arizona.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Imagine what that money could be doing for legal citizens.
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Some schools have been unable to buy textbooks because the funds were not there…they had gone to feed illegals.
In addition to the 2.2 billion for food assistance, we taxpayers shell out $2.5 Billion dollars a year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. You may also want to know that most urban emergency rooms and hospitals have to take illegal dialysis patients, filling the rooms so that legals either have to wait or go elsewhere at a cost of $12 million a month in Las Vegas alone.
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! That assertion comes from a Lou Dobbs transcript from CNN of all places. You would think the socialist-loving network would want to crib the facts a bit, so this figure may in fact be higher.
5. Dobbs also discusses the $17 Billion dollars a year being spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Now these figures are about 4 years old, so factor in inflation and you can just about double that.
6. He also describes the $3 Million Dollars a DAY taxpayers spend to incarcerate illegal aliens. It would be far cheaper to drop them off their home coast and see if they can swim to safety.
7. Dobbs goes on to detail that 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. How can that be? Aren’t they all honest hard-working folk just searching for their share of the American dream? If that is the case, why did they sneak in?
http://theamericanjingoist.net/index.php/2010/05/16/the-real-cost-of-opposing-arizona%E2%80%99s-law/
TO: Flip Flop
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1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Here is a link to the facts. Check it out for yourself. Imagine what that money could be doing for legal citizens.
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Here is the link. Some schools have been unable to buy textbooks because the funds were not there…they had gone to feed illegals.
In addition to the 2.2 billion for food assistance, we taxpayers shell out $2.5 Billion dollars a year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. The facts are in the same article. You may also want to know that most urban emergency rooms and hospitals have to take illegal dialysis patients, filling the rooms so that legals either have to wait or go elsewhere at a cost of $12 million a month in Las Vegas alone.
The site Fact Check pooh-poohs these figures, but I suspect they have a different agenda in this case other than the facts.
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! That assertion comes from a Lou Dobbs transcript from CNN of all places. You would think the socialist-loving network would want to crib the facts a bit, so this figure may in fact be higher.
http://theamericanjingoist.net/index.php/2010/05/16/the-real-cost-of-opposing-arizona%E2%80%99s-law/
Continued for Flip Flop:
ReplyDelete5. Dobbs also discusses the $17 Billion dollars a year being spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Now these figures are about 4 years old, so factor in inflation and you can just about double that.
6. He also describes the $3 Million Dollars a DAY taxpayers spend to incarcerate illegal aliens. It would be far cheaper to drop them off their home coast and see if they can swim to safety.
7. Dobbs goes on to detail that 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. How can that be? Aren’t they all honest hard-working folk just searching for their share of the American dream? If that is the case, why did they sneak in?
8. He goes on to talk about the $90 Billion Dollars a year spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. That is in addition to the largess spent by the states. And to top it off, Dobbs describes the $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages caused by illegal aliens taking American jobs because they will work for less than minimum wage and no benefits.
10. Illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. Because of where they choose to hide and how they raise their kids, that following generation has a proclivity to become involved in gang related activity far more readily than non-Hispanic immigrants. Here and here.
dough did you check the numbers yourself? you are so ignorant like most citizens that you believe what the media tells you that is why europeans laugh at americans like yourself .....go ahead and believe what you want and educate James the other ignorant citizen....i have seen more educated and whiter illegals than you and james........you owe them the american dream obsolte citizens
ReplyDeleteLookMeInDeye I agree with you. Lots of illegals are professional screwed by the lawyers........But we also have ignorant citizens like Dough and James who feel treathened by one's opinion and then dough starts to insult me and her girlfriend James defending him. James read what i wrote first and then have an opinion. Unfortunately this country is not what it used to be with people that had an intellect and understood ENGLISH!
ReplyDeleteLast forever ...dough there are americans that are productive, criminals and drugconsumers like your self but that does not mean all american consume drugs the same way there are illegal that are criminals (kick them out) and the good ones that deserve a chance......ultimately you will not decide that but the gov. That is why I am glad people llike you are not in the gov to screw this country on your hateful beliefs
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ReplyDeleteI disagree with Doug on about 25% of what he posts but the cost of illegals, on everything I've read, shows a rather LARGE amount we're putting out for them. Sure some illegals pay taxes on the wages they make but is it their social security number? They do pay taxes on what they buy and help the landlords by paying rent, which they pay the taxes from earned income. So there are some economic considerations to the positive BUT when you start adding up the plus and minus categories.....there are a whole lot more minus ones.
Please correct me if I'm wrong and don't just say "you're wrong." Show me from books, articles, or whatever. We can review them and decide if it's right/wrong... that's what makes us adults
So are you telling us these Internet sites Doug posts are wrong? Come on... show us he is wrong instead of giving lip service or name calling.
http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23219&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1721#2
http://cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
Last but not least... from what I've read about Doug's posts, he really doesn't sound hateful. It kind of sounds like he's angry about the illegal aliens. They are only people looking for making a better life, but I agree they need to look for a better life in their own country. Make their country better, one person at a time. Get together and make their country a GREAT place.
Alex and Linda
Dough, James, Alex, Linda, Anonymous, and Flip Flop
ReplyDeleteI come from a country south of the border like doug says and I did it legally. It took su a long time time but now i am a us citizen.
I am against all illegals because they are not coming through the legal way or front door. My country is poor but when people come from other countries illegally we shut the door on them. We jail them or force them out. Many of them are beaten and robbed. But they cross the borders without concerns and yell for their freedoms which were not earned.
all illegals should be made to come in the legal way like me. we don't trust the illegals even those from my country.
Fernando
TO: Alex and Linda
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Thanks for the websites..... more reading to do.
I don't hate anyone but flat out dislike "all" illegal aliens. For what it's worth, you are right about one thing. I am pissed that the lawbreakers enter our country and not like Fernando. If they came here legally, I welcome them just like I welcome Fernando.
Doing what's right is important just like following our laws. We may dislike some laws but then we have ways to change it. Some people will ignore the law until it bites them in the behind like our immigration laws. People want to change it, okay so be it. I'll be one that puts up a fight for what I believe in and that's the American way. Flip Flop apparently has a big heart and wants all the illegals here, okay, so be it. He can fight for what he thinks too. Wish he would help all the illegal aliens with his tax dollars instead of trying to use mine too.
Some people don't care in doing what's right, the legal way. Guess we can see it in our day to day lives like Flip Flop. Doesn't like a post so he attacks the person. He can't show us where we are wrong so he attacks and tries to belittle folks. Just like a bully I used to know.
Fernando
I'm glad you came into the U.S. the right way; for what it's worth "I wish you and your family well." God Bless You.
Fernando who in your family is an illegal because I am sure they r
ReplyDeleteDough & comapny you are a bunch of hypocrates. At least, the guy you call flip flop is straight. Where were you when the cubans invaded Florida because at this point FL belongs to the cubans.........most of them if not all entered illegaly and don't give me that crapr of the bay of pigs.......you r such a hypocrate!!!!
ReplyDeleteall in my family are us citizens. we did all we could to come here the right way. go ahead. pick on me all you can. you stick up for illegals but dont care for those who did it legally. thanks a lot.
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Doug
ReplyDeleteWho in the heck is Flip Flop? I don't see any posts from him/her.
Anyway, thanks for the Arizona website. I just mailed in $30 as I don't give out my credit card online.
I agree with most of your posts especially where you have been fairly civil but yet persistent on your dislike for all illegal aliens.
Myself I'm torn between helping out the illegals but I also do not like my taxes to go up every year. So I can understand you not wanting to pay for the illegals who broke our laws to enter the US.
Fernando
God Bless you for entering the US the right way.
Betty Lou from Austin, Texas
TO: Betty
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There are no posts from a "Flip Flop."
One of the posts came from Anonymous, where he or she said I was the same as McCain, the flip flop or something like that. He doesn't post his name like we do, guess he thinks the name fits him.
Betty, I was torn at first when you know the illegals come to the U.S. to feed their families and many are probably very hard workers too. But then I started looking at my taxes going up each year too. They had to build more schools over the years, hire more teachers, and buy more books (and supply breakfast and lunches - free).
Most of the children from illegal aliens did not speak English so they had to hire bi-lingual teachers and we're paying them too. Before they could find our first two bi-lingual teachers (it's now up to 8) they hired a Spanish interpreter as most of the children were from south of the border.
(yes, I do know we're mandated to provide schooling to all illegal's kids - which does not make any sense; they are getting an education free of charge on our dime)
Betty, I'm tired of people who want the illegal aliens here and expect me to use my taxes to pay for them. Why don't they pay more taxes to help them out? If Flip Flop wants them here, he can pay their way - how about it Flip Flop?
TO: Anonymous of July 13, 2010 3:07 PM
(is that you Flip Flop? sure sounds like you)
The Bay of Pigs??? What are you talking about?
If you haven't noticed ALL of my posts have been about illegal aliens - does this not include those Cuban invaders you're talking about too?
Did you not see my post where I listed 13 countries? It's dated July 10, 2010 1:28 PM where I listed them >>>>> China, Philippines, Brazil, India, Peru, Korea, Ireland, Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago, Poland, Pakistan, and heck, even Canada.
Yup, you got me there. I didn't list Cuba. I didn't see it on the Homeland Security's website listing Cuba is the reason why.
If anyone wants me to check for other countries listed other than Cuba, let me know. I'll look for more if you want but it's still immaterial - WHY? I'm still against ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Fernando
Don't let Flip Flop get to you. You and your family are here to stay with or without Flip Flop's permission.
Doug
a veteran and proud of it (no matter what Flip Flop says) :)
Dough your opinion and concerns are valid. It is obvious a border state is the most impacted as per your abpve feedback. However, Immgration reform is a very complicated task for congress, and most citizens including yourself and myself know as much as what we see experience and carefully read on what the media wants us to see or believe. I say the media because I travel a lot worldwide and you would not believe what I have learnt in the past 40 years in and out of the US. Anyway, my point being here is that I see your frustation on the taxes and the correlation of its cause & effect. I mean these children are actually american citizens ( anchor babies)...it is a tough situation as per the constitution loop created byt them being here....SO I can't really have an opinion on what you see and know best in your neighborhood. On my side that is more the midwest and the east coast the reality is different. The illegals come form all walks and our system has failed them from engineers,doctors, farming, poultry, landscaping construction etc etc. These people do pay taxes, either they have their own SS or the other a fake one that ultimately the SS goes back to those individuals. These people have been contributing to the american dream I have seen examples they do have patents, give jobs to americans etc etc but their lawyers or companies lied to them. Anyway, my opinion to these people I am talking about is to give them a chance which were denied by the system and to those who were exploited ( no different from spouse abuse) a chance to stay. Of course with a tough requirement,,,,.....I have a question for you......I know of a paricular case that happened years ago in a corporation....an engineer who entered legally but the lawyer made mistakes in this paper work and now his is out of status. I think he might have left the country by now to work in either China or Europe. This person paid taxes for over 20 years, went to school here graduated with honors, had patentes, and most ironically his ancestors came in the Mayflower, having a couple of founding fathers etc etc......but he was denied the greencard...he spoke english as good or better than me and he was an american if you know what I mean......do you think the system or the immigration laws we have are fit? do you think ICE should have let him go? as far as I remember his company, people wrote letters to most senators NOT even one was interested in helping this man......now you tell is this right? how on earth we say no to a person that basically entered legally, lived most of his life here and had american blood not to mention if you were to meet him personally you would have enjoyed his personality and I am sure as i have seen him in the past, years ago to stop and thank the military fro their service on the streets and engage wtih them in interesting converstations? I never thought this man was born someplace else and saw nobody else how much love he had for this land? You see our immigration Laws do need to be revised and completely transformed to avoid the troubles you have in your state ( i wouldn't agree to pay taxes as per your situation....) and the reality I have seen throughout the country which are totally different from the border states
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Bill that is what I have been tryng to tell Dough but the man thinks because he lives int he border the whole country is the same.........Dough you live in the thirld world country side......you should move North and get to know your country BOY!!
ReplyDeleteDOUGH show me your answer to see how much you love this land how much of an american you are when you amser Bill's feedback.............flipflop
ReplyDeleteOH and read this http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/03/dear-mr-president-immigration-reform-won%E2%80%99t-be-enough-to-stop-the-brain-drain/
ReplyDeletefor you to see where we r headed......
now you tell me if we donot need CIR for the legal ones too.....
Dough what is the link you have in homeland security?.....
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Schaumburg, IL
Bill
ReplyDeleteOur immigration system isn't fool proof or perfect especially with that engineer that you mentioned. I know of two computer engineers who lost their jobs to people who were brought over with special work visas since our gov't said "they were needed to fill slots that they couldn't find anyone to fill." They worked at different companies and within a couple of years apart lost their jobs but only to find out it one guy was from India and the other I can't remember.
I currently work with psychiatrists, psychologists, and nurses from India, Pakistan, Iran, Philippines, and Iraq. (and not one from the U.S.) One is now a citizen but the others are not; they were all given "special" visas to work in the US. Most say they are saving their money and will retire back home.
I know illegals are from all walks of life and from various professions or skills. You make it sound like you know a huge amount of illegals whose lawyers lied to them and now they are basically stuck in limbo with nobody to help them. I too know immigrants (from church) who are from Asia and a couple from England and Germany, most (but not all) are skilled professionals who came over on visas to either take their lawyer examinations, do research in various fields, or to get their high school age children educated in our schools. But not one was messed over by lawyers.
We are truly at the polar opposites except I too have been around the block a few time to include being overseas to Japan, Korea, Australia, and the Philippines for a total 9 years.
I have no answer for you and have never pretended to know it all. Your engineer friend and his screwed up lawyer could be an area where reform might provide some help. It sounds like they could prove "they did it the right way" so then I can see a change is needed.
My problem (I can only account for me and nobody else) is where the aliens/immigrants that cross the borders illegally or overstay their visas and then decide not to go home. I don't care what their profession is, they should be deported. And if they have any little American citizens, and don't want to split up their families, they can take them back to the parent's country.
The children I was talking about in another post, a majority were not born in the U.S. but there were the anchor babies as you stated.
I have relatives in Virginia, Minnesota, South Dakota, and Kansas; a majority are seeing illegal immigrants from the lower economic categories who are trying to make their homes in their cities. A majority of my relatives have the same thoughts to include families with anchor babies.
My sister works as an admission's clerk back in SD for their local hospital and sees people who do not speak any English so they have to find somebody who speaks Spanish. She is totally fed up that they get free health care and she has to spend over $600 a month for her and her husband.
I can see our immigration laws do need to be revised for special circumstances you have mentioned but NOT completely transformed.
Illegals who cross our border without the proper paperwork deserve absolutely nothing. I don't agree with a good portion of our quota system but I don't pretend to be an expert in that area.
Doug
TO: Anonymous of July 14, 2010 9:44 PM
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That was a good website on the "brain drain." I work with so many people from other countries too. Yes, we have many registered nurses and a couple of psychologists from the U.S.
We are headed for one heck of a wake up call too.
But as far as CIR - I am against it especially if it's meant for the illegals who cross our borders illegally. For those who can prove they were messed over by lawyers, this is something to work on. But it has to be proven beyond any doubt.
Bill
ReplyDeleteI could only find one just now and I know I've saved two other, which I'll send as I sort through my "saved" files.....
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf
Doug
Dough the issue of immigration is very complex. I have seen friends with businesses over the years could not fill out all the positions so as a results half their force were illegals. Some would go back and forth illegaly and others stayed. I saw some being exploited. Anyway, I understand and realize thwe way you feel but also we cannot turn out backs to those who were invited and lived a productive life here that had no impact on us such as the taxes, welfare etc etc. Those are the ones that will probably qualify to stay. My guess is that it will be a small fraction of the 11 million which will benefit us and are already part of the system. Again I mean the ones that do not take any help from the gov, created wealh to their employers and as a consequence the cost of food for us is comfortable. Now this is by no means amnesty sicne besides the fines they will have to learn english, pay taxes etc etc. In addition the legal ones that became illegals...........
ReplyDeleteI know one thing for sure...soon we are going to be taxed heavily and in addition if we kick these guys out our standard of living will no longer be the one US used to have. My point being is that no matter where we live you will always have people like the lettuce and poultry industries that make up a system. On my side I will have 10-15 years left to live and hopefully I will still see a beautiful country but i don;t see it if we punish the illegals that somehow made our lifes more comfortablesw being kicked out. My guess is mos americans will blame the gov about this when we the people are at fault for not following and enforcing the laws. Now we r beyond that....... Anyway I read the article and if we add the article's consequences ( we educated everybody else) we exploited the illegals( for a more comfortable life) by taking the wrong road in these tow massive issues we will no longer enjoy the quality of life we have had so far.
Again, remember if CIR happens I hope they do it in a smart maner so that we keep the good part of this nightmare and protect ourselves in the industry which it is still not too late to turn this around
By the way i heard 2000 people left the farming jobs in AZ and only a couplke of americans have turned out to apply for those jobs. Also, I see that the poultry business if suffereing for the same reasons. A friend of mine says it does not matter I will pay a few more dollars if we we it overseas.......this apperas to be some americans sentiment......I think we have lost it to some extent.....we gave away our technology and now we r going to give away our food?.....we are headed for some catastrophic times .......
Bill
Bill
Bill
ReplyDeleteI agree - the issue of immigration is complex. I have seen several people who lost their jobs to illegals doing the same work but at a much lower rate. One company had 10 people initially but ended up with 2 when they were undercut by companies who hired all illegals. The other person went out of business and ended up selling his business/equipment when he too was undercut. Question about your friend's businesses who could not fill the positions over the years - if they perhaps offered higher wages, they may have found them. I don't know what kind of businesses they were so I don't know.
When you say "we cannot turn our backs to those who were invited"; how were they invited? Were they part of the quota system the gov't now uses? I'd appreciate the enlightenment.
I like the idea for those who "were invited" (????) and lived a productive life here that had no impact on us such as the taxes, welfare etc etc. Those would probably be more welcomed by yahoos like me who are against the run-to-the-border illegals. They probably will be a relatively "low" number of the "millions" here. I agree it wouldn't feel like amnesty since they were initially invited.
I thought those farm workers, in the fields, were under a separate package of "allowed" special quotas? These workers have gone around the U.S. picking apples, lettuce, tobacco, etc. These are the ones who have the "HARD" and "TOUGH" jobs. The illegals I've been seeing are in McD's, restaurants, grocery stores, day laborers, etc. Try talking to them. Most don't understand English... they get somebody who does.
Punishing the illegals that somehow made our lives more comfortable? I'm sorry but this is where I disagree with you. I've lived on a farm and we did our own work from raising fruits, to be canned, and livestock/chickens to sell or for our own use. I can suffer as I've done before, knowing the illegals occupying these jobs have been caught and deported.
You are right most American will blame the gov't for not enforcing the laws - I DO. Remember the big amnesty they did back in the 1980 time frame? They said it wouldn't happen again - liars. We currently have a mess which far surpasses THAT amnesty giveaway. Sorry but I disagree - we are NOT beyond that.
WE did not exploit the illegals. The businesses who hired them did and would do it again for their bottom line. They made and continue to make larger and larger bottom lines while the illegals (today's slaves in my book) are getting screwed.
Most of the illegal aliens were NOT invited and I don't care if I have to pay $3 for a head of lettuce (I doubt it will double or triple in prices).
I doubt our gov't will do the CIR in a smart manner. They tried it back in the 80's and screwed up. CIR is amnesty. Enforce our laws that are on the books. The gov't messed up social security, allowed Americans to buy homes when they shouldn't have been eligible (our Congress forced Freddie Mac and others to grant loans)
The 2000 people who left AZ are just a drop in the bucket. The gov't and their great wisdom allowed a whole bunch of people from Nigeria or some other African country into the U.S. when Congress heard from big business - no Americans were signing up for the jobs. I'd rather have legal people in the country (even though I disagree with the gov't quota system) than any illegal person filling these jobs. How many jobs vacated by the illegals raised their wages from the illegal rate to ones Americans would then want?? Sure the cost may go up but at least the illegals wouldn't be working other than trying to find their way back home - to their own country.
I agree with you on this too.....we are headed for some catastrophic times .....but only if we don't get rid of the law breaking illegal aliens that cross the border evading capture.
DOUG
Dough do you understand the fact that the mexicans are tied to american history from the beginnings of time and that this labaor has always been there......also the fact that the gov stole the land from many of them. The spanish kings gavet hem the land and 100's years later they didn't have proof or the deed tand the gov took it away from them so....there is also that feeling amongst mexicans that american stole their land an this is not a tale itis a historical fact.........it appears some karma is here
ReplyDeleteDough when you say we did not exploit illegals I understand you never did but as a nation as as we the people we did. For two reasons the first one due to the non-enforcemtn the laws of the gov. This means after ennacting the law to modify our system to facilitate this enforcement. Secondly, they were hired to get jobs by citizens. So even though you or I donot have a direct involvement to this issue, we never saw any big movements against it thorughout the years so in other words WE screwed up at the expenses of other citizens. We are all at fault, and as an american I do recognize that. That is what I mean by inviting them they knew they woul be offered or get a job here, as simple as that. Again, I understand your frustation but as a society and as a country we should be accountable for that as well
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TO: Anonymous of July 16, 2010 3:45 AM
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Yes, I understand that the mexicans are tied to our American history as I understand the way the Chinese, Irish etc. helped build our railroads darn near at slave labor.
The gov't stole the land? I thought there was a war or revolution between the U.S./Mexico late 1800's/early 1900's and two armies fought it out???
Question on your post that I'm missing something, maybe it's just me....Spanish kings gave them the land and 100's years later they didn't have proof so the gov took it away from them??? Can you show me something from the Internet or something that I can read about this? This doesn't sound fair at all...it in fact is VERY lousy and predictable of gov't . Thanks.
Karma indeed.....
whoops..... this should have read 3:45pm and not 3:22pm
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FROM: Doug
messing up too much.......just got off work.....time for a beer.
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I cannot agree with you. When I do something wrong, I will pay my debt or apologies to the person or people I wronged. I cannot take accountability for what my gov't did or currently is doing. I can though vote the suckers out, write letters to my elected officials or even bring my protesting to the street to include signs showing disgust with the offenders like our current Congressional members.
I am sorry for those who were wronged by my gov't. But I will not give in to their demands for comprehensive immigration reform because the gov't can't do their jobs and enforce OUR CURRENT LAWS that are on the books.
When a company does something wrong, I write a letter to them (just like I did with Walmart recently) and tell them what they did wrong to me. If I receive no response (I'm currently batting about 50%) I do not go back to their business "if at all possible." I will go to their competitor even if it will cost me a little bit more.
To the illegals working in the U.S. at slave labor rates, I will not apologize to them. When you come into the country illegally, you will get what you get. To the companies who hire them, I hope you get your just reward (big fines or the license taken away). I take no pleasure in slave labor which is happening to the illegals when they take the lower pay.
If you want to be accountable for all the wrong doing to or against the illegal aliens and even to the Chinese/Irish/etc. who built our railroads, or the slavery of black people then it's up to you. "I know I didn't do it nor my relatives. But I do have a disgust toward the gov't or the people involved."
You put up a good argument that we screwed up (your words) at the expense of others and I'm disgusted with lack of ethical regards for others. BUT ever since I left home at 19 years old, I treat people exactly how I like to be treated. I will not call somebody an a-hole until they show me they are an a-hole. If a cashier gives me too much change back, I will give it back to them. I used to trust people until they gave me reason to distrust them but I had to put a change into this because I was getting burned too many times.
I am far from perfect and make more than my fair share of mistakes but I will not be held accountable for the actions of others. I do help out charities and give a helping hand to others in need BUT I cannot do it in good conscience to the illegal aliens who crossed the border "WHICH IS AGAINST OUR FEDERAL LAWS."
FROM: Doug
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Three Sanctuary States - Fifty Sanctuary Cities
Most folks are not aware of the fact that we have three US states which openly welcome and protect illegal immigration by way of state statute. They are Alaska, Oregon and Maine. Illegal immigrants are welcome anywhere within these three states.
However, there are at least 24 other states that account for more than 50 "sanctuary cities." Washington, California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida.
By no coincidence, these same states show up on a few other important lists...
States in the most financial trouble
States with the highest violent crime rates
States with the highest unemployment
States with the most drug and gang activity
States with the highest abortion rates
States with the highest foreclosure rates
Now, have you noticed that all of these states and cities are currently in violation of federal immigration laws? Arizona's new law is designed to uphold existing federal immigration and naturalization laws.
Obama shouldn't be suing Arizona for its new law. He should be suing three states and more than fifty cities for their violations of federal immigration laws via their "sanctuary" statutes, all of which violate federal law.
Does anybody else feel this is strange?
yes I see NOBODY ever cared about it and now all of the sudden is an ISSUE! I agree with you Bill. It appears Dough's ancestry is pretty young in this land at the same time he has a righ to his opinion. I actually agree with Bill
ReplyDeletewe are responsible as a nation and as a country we should be rsponsible to find a comprenhensive solution. dough you are entitled to your opinion but my ancestry goes far back to before the US was created and my ancestry had to do with all the good things and bad things we have done. to my eyes Bill is a 100% american. By no means I mean to say the opposite of you Dough since i am not aware of your reality with your ancestry, the illegals and nowadays
John
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ReplyDeleteDough if I may what is your parents' background do you have any mexican in your ancestry tree?
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Dough did you know the US court ruled in favor that any blacks brought from africa as slaves to the US and any of thier children and descendants would be illegals?..........not until the 13th and 14th ammendement ruled that out..............you might feel that way to the fact you never hired illegals so if I use your logic the gov is not at fault only the people who made the decisions......nazi germany was not at fault only Hitler and his superior who made them do that.....and so on......look into the velvet revolution in Europe when the people of slovakia and czech republic stop everything peacefully to say we have enough. I tell you what....that was what we call here american something we no longer possess AND don't tell me the analogy is different because it is NOT! Bill and John are right we belong to a country and we all are at fault! you can count yourself out. COunting yourself out in primitive times would have been that you no longer became to the same tribe ge it!
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Dough a perfect example a father has 6 kids and one of the kids already ~18 years old breaks the toy of a freind and the friend's father talks to the other father.........well ifyou want you can take him to the police I didn't do that......what an example as a father and in your case it is a lack of civic maturity.
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John
ReplyDeleteYup, my ancestry is pretty young and doesn't go back before the US was created. If you were part of the "original" Americans before the occupiers arrived from Europe, I say congrats.. a true original. BUT if your relatives came across the same ocean, only 50 or so years earlier, does it make one more of an American than the other?
Guess you are entitled to believe in being a responsible nation and country, we should be looking a comprehensive solution. Our solutions are opposites, for better or worse, you say keep them and I say keep them out. Some people are lifelong Republicans and others are Democrats. Some like meat and others don't.... life isn't fair some times.
Congrats Bill....you are a 100% American. It's posted here so it must be true.
As far as your other question: "Dough if I may what is your parents' background do you have any mexican in your ancestry tree?" Interesting question there Bill? Only if there were Mexicans in Europe and that could be a good possibility. There could have been a lot of Mexicans in Europe spread out all over. Maybe a lot of Europeans have a little in them all. Good question John, maybe we're all related if our relatives came from Europe... wow, what a thought!!
Peter
ReplyDeleteI sure didn't know (as you said) "the US court ruled in favor that any blacks brought from africa as slaves to the US and any of thier children and descendants would be illegals?..........not until the 13th and 14th ammendement ruled that out."
Thanks for the lesson, I must have been out sick that day they taught it in history class.
Your logic is spot on Peter. So you are saying Hitler on down to the privates are all responsible as they exterminated the Jewish people? I wonder though..... if the private said "no, I won't do this, what would happen to him? If the Captain said, "no, I won't do this, what would happen to him?" If a colonel said "no, I won't do this, what would happen to him?
Please tell me. If anybody went against Hitler, what would have happened to them? Let me see if I have this right....they would have been shot by their dictator for NOT following orders. The whole chain of command would have been shot if they too refused....
Now since you mentioned Hitler, who voted him into power? The people didn't. He basically stole the title of chancellor and became a dictator>>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp
Belonging to a country you accept the good and the bad, I agree with that. But there is also an item of representation. If you don't vote, then in my book you can't complain. If the guy/gal you vote for wins but yet does a terrible job, then you got what you voted for and deserve what you have. If your person doesn't win, then (in my little world) they are not representing you. So who is responsible then? What does representation mean to you?
So what you're saying, I am responsible for their actions no matter what they do and whether I voted for or against them? Rather interesting concept Peter. Guess we believe in the opposites on this one too. But then only your opinion counts too. I got it.
Congrats Peter; you are right. Peter also says John and Bill are good to go too. Good job. If somebody disagrees with you then they are not Americans.......nobody else matters.
When you say:
"we belong to a country and we all are at fault! you can count yourself out. Counting yourself out in primitive times would have been that you no longer became to the same tribe get it!"
Go ahead and take responsibility if the country is at fault. That's your idea of belonging to a country then it's your right.
Congrats at being at fault for borrowing so much money to keep the country running in the direction the current administration is headed - in a hole.
Growing up on a farm north of a small town of 2,600 people and having all my relatives in about a 50 mile radius, I can say "we didn't hire any illegals back then and still haven't - we did it by ourselves." But I don't expect you to trust anything I say, it feels like you have your thoughts already made up. AND in this case, so do I.
Doug
Dough neither was I taught about the US court I found it myself while doing some research on line. It basically reminded that despite the fact the rest of the world thinks we haveit easy, life itself has been a turmoil from the social point of view
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I do know germans that fought on the nazi side that survive the War. If they did not fight they were killed. But at the time they were not aware what Hitler was getting them into it. This friend was sent to fight the russians upthe front lines in the army to die becuase he answered he did not believe in races. You see books tells us what happened but the reality and the reasons why often are left apart.
he was never told he was to fight to commit murder and own the world......
If you read my feedback I am saying you never hired the illegals but it is your prerogative to count yourself out to any wrongdoing not made on your part. Interestingly enough from your answer you have mexican blood in you. But that is fine even if you had irish blood you are an american to me. All i meant is that once you belong to a system, i.e., to a country the concept of you said, he said, not my fault, it is your fault, no longer applies. Because of this attitude is that we are in bad shape because nobody cares and it is all about a self-interest at a personal and gov level....I hope you dig what I am saying....I do believe if you have a different opinion from me it is as valid as mine and therefore you have the US wehre you find all kind of opinions.........I do recognize the fact that you probably are one of the fewest that have a good idea of the situation where you are and your farming background. On my side my parents own an industry in technology and fashion in the midwest and east coast so I am pretty familiar with the social events throughout these years and my opinions are based on that reality. It appears to me then that is CIR happens will be at its best a combination of your reality with the one I know and perhaps a better solution so I hope but I doubt it........regarding the deficit.....it does not take any brains to know that cutting taxes, reducing spending and gov as well as protecting our market against china etc etc is the route to go but the politicians in power believe otherwise.......
Peter
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ReplyDeleteWhat????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? When you said......"I do recognize the fact that you probably are one of the fewest that have a good idea of the situation where you are and your farming background."
I didn't know if I should have my knickers in a twist with you or vote for you since you must be running for political office with a smile on your face and a hand in my pockets. My farming background was only until I was 19, I've lived in many places around the U.S. and overseas but not as a tourist. So I think I've been "around the block" too. I've seen many great people and rotten ones to the core.
It was sad to read this info >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sanford <<<<<<>>>> "it does not take any brains to know that cutting taxes, reducing spending and gov as well as protecting our market against china etc etc is the route to go but the politicians in power believe otherwise......."
I think I need to rephrase some of my words, not that they are wrong but need clarification, of some sorts.
Especially after what you posted >>>>>>>"All i meant is that once you belong to a system, i.e., to a country the concept of you said, he said, not my fault, it is your fault, no longer applies.
I don't walk through life telling people it's "not my fault" when something goes wrong in my immediate life or throughout our nation. But I do not take accountability for the "wrongs" our leaders have done over the years - taking of Native American lands, slavery, taking of land through the Mexican-American War.
I have been a "Big Brother", volunteered my time at orphanages overseas, donate my time, food, clothing, school supplies, and money to people through agencies providing to those in need. But I still cannot take responsibility for our illegal alien mess by helping them out with amnesty once again (just like back in 1980's).
Your perceived (from what I read) attitude of "we need to take care of the illegal immigrant issue" by getting together and work through this problem. But is it your idea to give them amnesty in making them pay back taxes with a fine, learn English, and get in the "back of the line" for citizenship?
How do we get to the middle ground?
How do we take what you (and others) believe the American tradition of helping others to include giving amnesty to what I believe (with others too) they should be caught and deported (even if it takes 5 years or 20 years)?
Doug
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ReplyDeleteIt was sad to read this info >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sanford <<<<<<>>>>
I agree with you TOTALLY >>>>>>"it does not take any brains to know that cutting taxes, reducing spending and gov as well as protecting our market against china etc etc is the route to go but the politicians in power believe otherwise......."
I think the computer gremlins taking my words out.
Dough not only was it sad but also very similar to the illegals' situation.........
ReplyDeletei see you guys back and forth almost in real time....:} well.........dough my ancestry comes from The Great migration ( WINTHROP fleet) also many of my ancestors have statues throughout the US. As you might kknow this wave of immigratns was the most influential of all as to who we became later...... does that make me more american than you are? No from the individual level but yes at the family and historical level as well as at the gene level. This does not mean I am more important than you or that my opinion counts more. It just means that...that you could have the ability to contribute a lot more than myself to this country and maybe you have.....BUT what i have learnt from the years is that americans with the same or similar background that is ancestors before, and after the creation of this country do think alike and have similar points of view sort of like wine......I mean the people who really built this place from scratch as well as the descendants did keep certain convictions and ways of thinking that shows through the genes believe it or not. Nowadays we have gotten so big that only a small portion of the population still keep that way of life. So I am a yankee and I believe no different from Peter. Read well what i am writing I donot support illegal immigration. You blame and the gov and the citizens who caused this but after all we are a big family and families take accountability. Anyway I am not forcing you or trying to convince you what I think. I am just merely letting you know. These genes somehow have given me the ability to tell your ancestry is young. You are not the first time that I have been correct. This is an interesting experience for me. I think young is great otherwise the US would not be a power. Also, it is interesting to see you have mexican blood.........well who can be more american than yourself on that side of the country. Also I see you have some traits of the original americans that is when you didn;t agree with the wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sanford....so young is good. Many old timers are still caught up with the civil rights and still call the african americans negroes.......to me that is ignorance. Back in the time this country had a different reality and was even worse than this situation with the illegals in terms of hate and exploitation. Eventually, what will be decided will be and that is that.
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TO: Anonymous July 17, 2010 9:47 PM
ReplyDeleteI TOTALLY DISAGREE.....this was not a "VERY" similar situation as the illegals. But it is sad to think the illegals made a decision to break our laws........ life just isn't fair sometimes, huh?
[Dough not only was it sad but also very similar to the illegals' situation.........]
no different from the indians...uhh? but yet as a country somehow something was recognized to them and the gov is not saying i didn;t do it it was the last gov uhu?
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Dough the difference is that you will never understand what this country was and is all about all you understand is your reality but you can have your opinion....J.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/5793519.html
get to know your country dude before it disspears under your ignorant eyes ( to dough)
jose
you betray your own kind with your mexican blood!!! Jose to dough
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Really? You say >>>>>Your genes somehow have given me the ability to tell your ancestry is young. This is an interesting experience for me. <<<<
Totally awesome. Can you tell me how the EUR/JPY (Euro/Yen) will perform this coming week? I'll make a killing in the currency market; I've only been making $1,500 a week and with your genes it could put me over the top.
What the heck does 50+ difference in who came first make a difference? If my ancestors came over from Europe 100 years ago or 200, please explain the difference.
When you say >>>>Also, it is interesting to see you have mexican blood.<<<<< WHAT? I have Mexican blood? Really? Are your genes telling you this too? If you read my earlier post of July 17, 2010 12:28 AM and you would see the real story.....
Interesting info here when you say >>>> You blame and the gov and the citizens who caused this but after all we are a big family and families take accountability.<<<<<<
If we are a family (mom, dad, and five children), the oldest of the five kills the neighbor's cat because of whatever reason, do you punish the other four? Who do you hold accountable? Yup, we all get together as a family and talk things over. We try to find out what happened so it doesn't happen again. But who does the cops haul off to jail?
So we give out amnesty for the second time and make them pay fines, learn English & etc. GET READY FOR THE THIRD AND FOURTH TIME. Guess we're moving toward no borders. BUT all those who want this amnesty and the next, let's also add another element to this "family" get together. Some of the news coming from our border:
"A high ranking Mexican Army commander who insists on remaining anonymous has told the U.S. Border Fire Report that Mexican coyotes are now being trained by the Mexican Drug Cartel known as the Los Zetas and are operating in the deserts of Arizona."
"The United States is ceding parts of Arizona to the Mexican drug cartels. So says Pinal County (Ariz.) Sheriff Paul Babeu. ... the sheriff described how his deputies were outmanned and outgunned by the cartel smugglers who increasingly operate using military tactics and weapons. The result, said Sheriff Babeu, was that a wide corridor of Arizona from the border North to the outskirts of Phoenix is effectively controlled by the cartels."
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ReplyDeleteThe federal government recently posted warning signs 80 miles north of the border "urging U.S. citizens not to camp or hike in the 'Active... Human Smuggling Area' because 'Visitors May Encounter Armed Criminals.'"
One recent report by Reuters reads: "Police in an Arizona border city are on heightened alert after receiving a warning... that officers may be targeted.... Nogales Police Chief Jeff Kirkham said the department received the threat through an informant.... 'The warning was ... that the officers, if they are off duty, are to look the other way and ignore any... trafficking loads that are coming across the border, otherwise they will be targeted,' Kirkham told Reuters."
As Senator DeMint stated upon the introduction of his amendment, "States like Arizona shouldn’t be prosecuted for protecting their citizens when the federal government fails to do so. The federal government is rewarding illegal behavior and encouraging many more to enter our nation illegally when they refuse to enforce our laws. States along the border are facing kidnappings... human trafficking and gang violence and they have a duty to keep their residents safe."
For all those who want to accept the current 15-20 million illegal aliens into "our family" - you are rewarding illegal behavior. Pure and simple.
History has taught us many lessons from the first give away in 1986. Read this little tidbit from the newspaper........Needless to say, the European experience with amnesty repeats the U.S. one. Following the 1986 American amnesty, "illegal Mexican immigration surged several fold." If you don't end it here and now - this amnesty giveaway will draw in many more to follow. History will repeat itself. You are rewarding illegal behaviors.
So if we don't secure the border (as tight as one can because the border's total length is 1,969 miles) we will have another wave of illegal aliens and the Mexican drug cartel taking over more U.S. territory from the south. But who is going to give a crap, we will be one big happy family, right?
Doug
John
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to the Native Americans was and still is wrong. Tell me how do we (the U.S. family) correct it, okay? Since you are bringing it up, ok?
So you will understand what this country was and is all about? You are an expert on our history then. Great, no problem. I'll come to the expert in future posts for guidance.
Our reality is different, I have no problem with that. I know where I came from and where I'm going. I'm not a major historian like some of you and I am doomed to repeat it. Just as you are doomed to repeat giving amnesty once more to illegal aliens. The first one was in 1986, this one may be in 2010/2011 if Obama gets his way. So every 20+ years we will keep on repeating it and you'll be quite happy with our growing family.
But you can have your opinion and I'll have mine.
Doug
TO: Jose
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Very convincing newspaper articles you have. They say they pay taxes, we need them to work in the fields, and etc.
Here is one for you:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/06/Amnesty-Will-Cost-US-Taxpayers-at-Least-26-Trillion
and yet another:
http://www.visiontoamerica.org/story/illegal-immigration-costs-us-113-billion-a-year.html?utm_source=Vision+to+America+Announcements&utm_campaign=82e4da6914-Vision_to_America_Announcements_7_7_2010&utm_medium=email
These are studies and not newspaper articles. But guess that won't make a difference to you.
And with your condescending remark "get to know your country dude before it disspears under your ignorant eyes." How about you continue to read the newspapers. You may just find some more ammo to use against Doug.
Once last item: I don't have mexican blood. But it's appears Jose does.
Anonymous said...
you betray your own kind with your mexican blood!!! Jose to dough
July 18, 2010 1:16 AM
TO: Jose
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And yet another for you.......
http://www.cis.org/medicaid-costs
This analysis has shown that the costs of providing Medicaid to legalized illegal immigrants would be substantial.
Because illegal aliens are relatively young in age and in generally good health, the average cost of their Medicaid coverage is about half of the average cost of current Medicaid recipients, which includes the aged and disabled. Nonetheless, we still estimate that covering just 3.1 million uninsured illegal immigrants with the lowest incomes would cost $8.1 billion annually.
This estimate does not include the extra costs of the illegal immigrants whose incomes would qualify them for the new affordability credits under health reform.
This is a long piece on the 1986 amnesty but it surely sheds some more light on the subject to include fraud, waste, and abuse.
ReplyDeleteGo figure.....
http://www.cis.org/irca-amnesty
A Bailout for Illegal Immigrants? Lessons from the Implementation of the 1986 IRCA Amnesty
Guess what their number one recommendation was?
1. The United States should not have another legalization program. We have proved that amnesties simply beget more illegals, and they, in turn, beget new and more vigorous pleas for another amnesty. We know, or should know, that more people with limited skills and limited rights in the labor market can only lead to still greater discrepancies between the rich and the poor. Further, as a nation, we seem to be incapable of creating an adequate infrastructure for those who are already living here — why strain it further?
2. If there is to be a legalization program, there should be no special program for farm workers. If there were to be one, it would certainly be designed to maximize the numbers of approved applications and to minimize fraud control.
3. If there is to be a general amnesty, it should be narrow in scope, and it should come with a decision-making system focused on permitting legalization only for those who meet the qualifications. It should put heavy emphasis on the initial interview, and make sure that the burden of proof is on the applicant throughout the process, as it was not during part of the SAW program. Similarly, there should be a readily available opportunity for shaky applicants to withdraw and to get their money back if fees again fund the program.
4. The funding of such a program should be arranged to fully support fraud detection, not only using all the fees collected for that program, but tax funds as well, if need be. There never should be a financial incentive to the managing agency to tolerate fraud, as there was in the SAW program.
5. Within the U.S. bankruptcy court system, a Justice Department entity, there is an institutional arrangement that might be copied if Congress makes the mistake of creating another legalization program. It is based on the premise that the narrow resolution of competing private interests (creditor vs. debtor) does not always serve the public interest. Separate from the bankruptcy courts there is the Office of the U.S. Trustee, another Justice Department entity. It plays a continuing role as friend of the court, observes what is happening, and when the public interest appears to be neglected, it intervenes with recommendations to individual judges in individual cases.
It would be helpful if a disinterested, well-funded, public body could play the same role should there be a legalization program, intervening on behalf of public policy considerations when the decision-making system focuses almost solely, as it did during IRCA, on the claimed individual rights of applicants.
6. Further, the statute setting up any legalization program should make it clear that public-interest bodies, just as individual aliens, have a legal standing to argue their point of view. I think IRCA was silent on this point.
Get ready for another cluster F.....
I come from a country south of the border like doug says and I do it legally. I did me 8 years but now i am a us citizen. I did this post on Jul 12, 10 and now again. My friend is now too a US citizen and he has been waiting 3 yaers to bringfamily like I do. We talk about illegally people who come in to our old country and how many were beat, rape, rob, torture. I heard people killed too. These people were trying to cross my old country to come to america. We come to the US legally. I do not like the illegals because they do not earn citizenship the legal way. My friend has wait now for 3 yaers for his family and these illegals who brake laws will take and take from us all. This is not fair. We do right way and they sneek in US. You are not fair to us legals. Dough thank you. You speak truth and nobody will listen or care.
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Doug. I've been anxiously reading the posts to learn how people think and act about the illegal immigrants. I've been monitoring other sites as well and I just wanted to say thanks for your posts, I am starting to agree with you more and more.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I heard Arizona raised well over a million dollars for their defense fund from people like you and I. I've been giving the address to others and they too are sending in what they can. I also hear there are about a dozen other state attorney generals drafting similar paperwork like Arizona's. I am glad because after your latest post, the drug cartels are moving in to our border states with impunity like the illegal aliens.
Fernando
Glad to hear from you again. Please tell your friend we hope he can get his family to the United States legally too and well before the illegals get their amnesty again.
I'm afraid Obama will jam the amnesty through like he jammed through the healthcare we didn't need or want. I made the mistake of voting for him once but not again. I'm going back to reading your posts because I just now somebody will attack me for my beliefs like they are attacking you. See you again.
Betty Lou from Austin, Texas
Like I said Dough you will never understand......J.
ReplyDeleteFernando if you come from a poor country and are poor how did you get your greencard?....through a family member that came here illegaly? I am almost convinced you have illegal family members and friends that are illegals in this country so come clean.......No way on earth you got the papers that fast unless any of the above is true!
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Fernando or you overstayed you visa ( i.e, I came legally...) and married a US citizen)....John
ReplyDeletePeter,
ReplyDeleteI read he posts and the academic research papers on your site pretty interesting. Also it was good to know your family revolutionray ancestry anf amazing to learn they invested and gave their lives to create this country. Unfortunately the real american.....no longer exists and we are headed to tough times. I agree with you in your article that genes of those real americans will be the ones that will save us.....looking at the populatipon sample of these posts I doubt it talk to you soon!
Dough I am going to think like you now ang give you some feedback if you traveled and did charity you have the merit as long as the money came out of your pocket and you decided to lead the effort....otherwise you didn;t do it it was the military you served under......get it! at least I think this way no offense to you but iam the real deal as an american blood wise and contributed to this land through science and industries......you want to become a real american, come up with your own ideas and make something out of it for this land as a leader if you dig what i am saying.....and that is that the last thing I am writing in this blog
Fernando
So you know you should be humbled and compassionate to other people's fate. Remember you might be a US citizen but a monkey is a monkey even if you are in the moon!
John
John
John
ReplyDeleteThank you. There will be a regional meeting in New England for the Sons of the American Revolution . Perhaps we can get together and travel to see the ancestors' graves. I will let you know.....no sense to repeat or argue about the immigration issue when people are unable to converse and engage in a constructive manner. Talk to you later
Peter
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ReplyDeleteWhere are you getting your studies on the illegal immigrants from? I am fascinated with the last one on the lessons learned from the 1986 amnesty.
Do you have any more studies on the 1986 amnesty?
Our state is drafting similar laws like Arizona and many others like me have been writing letters of support to our lawmakers and newspapers to show we are more than willing to picket at the capital if we must. Anyway, I just wanted to say I'm with you and don't let the continued attacks on this site get to you. Your posts have been fairly civil, keep it coming.
What is the address for donating to Arizona's legal defense fund? Guess I missed it; will have to read all the posts again but it's really long.
Jimmie
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July 18, 2010 6:02 PM
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Like I said Dough you will never understand......J.
ReplyDeleteTO: J
FROM: Doug
Understand that you think you're right or understand that you think I'm wrong?
One of life's little wonders.
John, John, John
ReplyDeleteDoes picking on Fernando make you feel better? Wonder if this is how Americans treat all new U.S. citizens?
Doug
Anonymous said...
Fernando if you come from a poor country and are poor how did you get your greencard?....through a family member that came here illegaly? I am almost convinced you have illegal family members and friends that are illegals in this country so come clean.......No way on earth you got the papers that fast unless any of the above is true!
John
July 18, 2010 5:21 PM
Anonymous said...
Fernando or you overstayed you visa ( i.e, I came legally...) and married a US citizen)....John
July 18, 2010 5:23 PM
Nice job John......Nice job.
John
ReplyDeleteI love how your write:
you want to become a real american, come up with your own ideas and make something out of it for this land as a leader if you dig what i am saying.....and that is that the last thing I am writing in this blog.
To become a real american I must follow your advice? We're on a different playing field or whatever you want to call it.
So it was your last writing in this blog? Is it the same thing I remember hearing when I was young and a kid didn't get his way, he ended our baseball game. He decided to take his ball and bat home so he ended the game his way.
Life is just not fair, huh? Must be a first for you then....
Doug
Peter,
ReplyDeleteSons of the American Revolution? Wow. So glad your aristocratic genes are now brought out to the light.
Your genes are showing their true colors when you take your "bat and ball" home too, huh? End the ball game on your terms. I'm glad to hear things haven't changed since I was a youngster.
When a teacher blames the child for not learning is that what you're telling me? Or do we blame the teacher for not teaching the student so they understand in a "constructive manner" as you so eloquently put it?
End the game.....no problem with me.
Jimmie
ReplyDeleteSorry I don't have anything more on the 1986 amnesty but I do want to learn more about Amnesty I since it appears Amnesty II is knocking on the door. We have to learn about not repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again. Or Amnesty III is down our road too.
I found all the info on the Internet; kept the Google site busy.
I'm glad to hear your state is trying to follow suit like Arizona - wish mine was.
Continued attacks? They were just trying to get their points across but I was biting. I feel the way I feel and illegal aliens should be deported!!
I posted the address for donating to Arizona's legal defense fund on this site, far up above. If you still can't find it, I know I can find it somewhere.
Doug
From the Border Patrol for 3 days:
ReplyDeleteReported on July 8, 2010
Miami Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested two illegal aliens from Mexico after responding to a request for assistance from local law enforcement officials. Records checks revealed both subjects were Sureño gang members with prior criminal histories.
Tucson Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Nogales, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for involuntary manslaughter and had been previously removed from the United States.
Reported on July 9, 2010
El Centro Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Calexico, California. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for lewd and lascivious acts with a minor in the state of California and had been previously removed from the United States.
Rio Grande Valley Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Roma, Texas. Records checks revealed the subject had an active arrest warrant for murder issued in the state of Texas.
Tucson Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Quijotoa, Arizona. During processing, the subject admitted to being a Sureño 13 gang member, and records checks revealed he had been previously removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from El Salvador near Douglas, Arizona. During processing, the subject admitted to being a Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS-13) gang member. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for aggravated malicious wounding in the state of Virginia and had been previously removed from the United States.
Reported on July 10, 2010
Laredo Sector - Border Patrol agents seized 2,844 pounds of marijuana, a tractor-trailer, and arrested a United States Citizen (USC) at the traffic checkpoint near Hebbronville, Texas. The subject presented himself for inspection and a Border Patrol canine alerted to the trailer. A search by agents revealed the marijuana inside.
Tucson Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Guatemala near Casa Grande, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had a prior conviction for fondling a child in the state of California and had been previously removed from the United States.
Tucson Sector - Border Patrol agents seized 1,794 pounds of marijuana near Vamori, Arizona. While conducting routine patrol duties, agents discovered the abandoned marijuana.
Tucson Sector - Border Patrol agents arrested an illegal alien from Mexico near Naco, Arizona. Records checks revealed the subject had an active warrant of arrest for murder issued in the state of New York.
Wonder how many people they are not catching with records worse than these people?
Wonder if these people should be "welcomed" to the U.S. as many illegal aliens before them??
Dough,
ReplyDeleteIf you read your comments and mine you can see a clear cut as to what kind of an american you are and I am. Unlike myself who accepts your opinion as part of the system you tend to get upset while not agreeing and be sarcastic. This is very much like a third world country trait which I am sure you have it in your mexican blood. As for Peter he said the same thing Jimmy said to you when flip flop attacked you but it is fine somebody that agrees with can say it but somebody that agrees with cannot. Don't be so jealous about Peter's background or as you say my aristocratic background. American101 for you again......americans are no jealous of anything or anybody like you are. Real americans learn freom others or others learn from them......again i respect your opinions but I have no respect left for your inmaturity as an american. You are right we belong to the american aristocracy but that is not my fault you can go ahead and take it with your ancestors that unlike ours yours probably came to the US penniless.......
Don;t expect Peter to answer he probably prefers to feed his dog that is a more productive activity than answer you who has shown any better. Last, genuine americans are able to converse and come to an agreeable unagreement something you are lifetimes away and perhaps nver able to achieve even your descendants.....
John and I can vouch for Peter
Dough and Fernando OUCH!!!!! way to go John!
ReplyDeleteDough I am amazed you say you are an american and don't know that the way america has been built unlike the europeans has been because of individualism..........
Fernando the best thing you can do as a new citizen is to make sure your children will assimilate to the american culture and do the best they can. i personally don't care how you came here......even if illegaly just learn english and dig the blues if not my man you will have a hole in your soul!!! remember that!
Bill
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Again you feel so defensive and so little when you talk to Peter and John the real americans. I have English and spanish blood not from hispancs but spaniards the ones help the creation to this gov. I have it in my blood from both sides who created and built this place. You nor I will solve the illegal problem. You are a FARM BOY below the blue collar people in other words you are the american peon remember that
TO: Anonymous of July 19, 2010 2:17 AM
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I read your comments with great enthusiasm and found enlightenment in your words.
Me upset? Yes, sir I am. But not at you. I'm only upset at our elected officials but that's already been hashed out and we are in disagreement but that's okay. We can settle on agreeing to disagree and leave it at that. Unless you're planning to challenge me to a duel, are you?
You are so much more of an American because you said so. And you can vouch for Peter and John. Wow. Congratulations. Is this what the Sons of the American Revolution are all about? I still wonder if this makes you more of an American than anybody else. This is why I said it felt you were trying to be an elitist or an aristocrat. King of Kings; I'm so happy for you. (Peter, this post sounds like you. Going incognito huh?)
You accept my opinion? Really? With all the sarcasm you tried to slam me with.....I am surprised.
Example of your words: (the type is caps is not meant for yelling, it's meant to show the difference of your words in lower case and mine in upper case - remember I'm not yelling and trying to be rude).
a. This is very much like a third world country trait which I am sure you have it in your mexican blood. (THIRD WORLD COUNTRY TRAIT? REALLY? MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MEXICAN BLOOD THEN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
b. Real americans learn from others or others learn from them......again i respect your opinions but I have no respect left for your inmaturity as an american. (YOU DO NOT RESPECT MY OPINIONS OR YOU WOULDN'T SAY IT'S IMMATURITY)
c. You are right we belong to the american aristocracy but that is not my fault you can go ahead and take it with your ancestors that unlike ours yours probably came to the US penniless.......YOU RESPECT MY OPINIONS BUT THEN ATTEMPT TO SLAM MY ANCESTORS? YUP THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF RESPECT, RIGHT??? I'd rather be penniless thank you very much than be thinking I'm better than ANY other American."
d. Don;t expect Peter to answer he probably prefers to feed his dog that is a more productive activity than answer you who has shown any better. (YOU RESPECT MY OPIONIONS AND THEN ATTEMPT TO SLAM ME. BUT YOU DIDN'T AS I LOVE DOGS TOO AND THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT. THEY GIVE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. WE HAVE SOMETHING TO LEARN FROM THEM - WE BOTH DO).
e. Last, genuine americans are able to converse and come to an agreeable unagreement something you are lifetimes away and perhaps nver able to achieve even your descendants.....(YOU RESPECT MY OPINIONS BUT YET ATTEMPT TO SLAM ME YET AGAIN, HUH? THIS SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU RESPECT YOU HAVE FOR MY OPINIONS. I'D SURE HATE TO SEE THOSE YOU DISRESPECT... DANG).
So you welcome illegal aliens as shown in your previous posts but now slam them by saying they have a negative "third world country traits." Really? Yup, you sue do accept them into the U.S. but on your terms, just "like" me.
TO: Bill of July 19, 2010 2:48 AM
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Thanks for the history lesson. Individualism, huh?
I'll take it under advisement.
I can't speak for Fernando, so I won't. Unlike other people on this site can vouch for others for some reason.
TO: Jose
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Defensive? Maybe a little. But guess that's being a human. We make mistakes and yes, even on this blog, I've made some too. Doesn't make me proud but I hopefully will do better next time.
Oh, the "real" Americans - Peter and John - just because you say so, huh? That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.
You are right. You and I won't solve it. It will be other people who think they have our best interests at heart, which lately, have shown they are not listening to a "majority" of their constituents.
From you too, huh? Trying to show you can slam me like the other two. It's not going to work Jose.
I am a FARM BOY at heart and yes, we (along with a whole lot of other farmers) helped put food out there so you can put it on your table. Wheat, barley, corn, and a whole lot of Angus beef.
An American blue collar peon? Yup, that's me. What does it make you? Another elitist? No problem. Be what you may.
By the way what have you done? What did your family do to help create this gov't (as you called it)?
What has it exactly that your blood (from both sides) helped create and build?
Wonder how you stack up against the great John and Peter's blood? I know how they feel about the FARM BOY but you surely must be higher than that, right?
Don't bet your last dollar Jose. You might be surprise (or not).
Doug
ReplyDeleteYou set yourself up by telling too much about yourself on this blog. You gave them too much ammo to shoot at you with while they gave you nothing.
The others have only claimed to belong to the Sons of the American Revolution. Do you know what they stand for?
Internet says they are to maintain and expand the meaning of patriotism, respect for our national symbols, and the value of American citizenship. Patriotism, huh?
Read up about it and you'll find they are only living off of what a "possible" relative did back during the revolution. How do we know their relatives did what they are "supposed to be so proud of?" They are living off of somebody else's service and what have they done?
At least you served "IN" the military and they are living off their relative's accomplishments. I read from this blog where you lived all over the US and overseas; you probably gained all kinds of experience where those guys probably are all talk.
Strange how some people can live off of other's military accomplishments. I was in the Marines and was stationed on Okinawa and in California; kind of wished I didn't get out but that's life.
Semper Fi
TO: Semper Fi
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You are probably right about setting myself up but thought some things were needing to be said. But I've been wrong many times in my life.
I don't know a whole lot about the Sons or Daughters of the American Revolution. I was just online doing some reading but from what I've seen it's nothing more than organizations (with limited admissions) like the DAV, VFW, and such. I think it more like my friend from Boston would say, "there is a difference from old money and new money." Guess there those that stick there nose up at new money and feel they are "not of like kind" to be in the same clubs.
Ain't life just great? Being rich has a distinction like that..... go figure.
Wonder if the Son's of the American Revolution are just that way too? Being more American than others - sure does feel like that. But I digress.
Marine, huh? Have a few Marines working at the same place where I work too. Tough dudes but sure get things done and done right.
I do think one or the two guys posting here were in the military but maybe I'm wrong.
Impressive i see flip flop was right. Guys the SAR was never mentioned in any of the feedback to back up the illegals, opinions nor to have a right to be right???huh! I apologize to say this but I got a laugh out of of the whole thing and realized that MAY BE flip fllop was correct about military men like Dough and Semper Fi who got it all wrong!!!
ReplyDeleteGuys the SAR does not have limited admission it is just what it is if you are a direct descendant you can join. Simper Fi a bomb must have gotten your brains upside down. Nobody is living off other's efforts. The society acknoledges those efforts and honors them......Guys guys guys what is wrong with our military menm once they get back in the civilian life!! snap out of it!!! you are no longer there.......
Michael
Flip Flop (or should I now say Michael)
ReplyDeleteFeels more like Peter though.... oh, well, whatever.
Missed your flip flopping. Just what I expected, nothing has changed.
Your never were in the military then so Semper Fi was right..... living off of other folks achievements and not your own. So that's what SAR is all about. Thanks for letting me know.
Doug
Flip Flop (or should I now say Michael or more than likely its feeling like Peter)
ReplyDeleteWhat have you accomplished other than living off of others? Or is like the "old money" is better than the "new money" syndrome? Nothing new is right.
Doug
Congress - do your job and enforce the current laws on illegal aliens. Here is a reminder of the law they are breaking, since you have forgotten or are you just looking for new voters?
ReplyDeleteUnder Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
• Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
• Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
• Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
Doug (a proud farm boy and veteran)
Doug
ReplyDeleteWonder why some people worry about us transitioning back to civilian life. Don't worry about us veterans sticking together. Two of my fellow Marines and a retired Navy guy started up our own business 5 years ago and we're on our second contract to provide IT support - first contract we made $20 million. We're on our 2nd contract for four years and expect to pull in $35 million if we expand like we keep doing.
Yup, us poor old military guys going into civilian life. I miss the Corps and my friends but civilian life isn't too bad after all.
Semper Fi
Again dough after all the military life gave you nothing like to be an american or just be taken care of........in the civilian world for you and your comrade Semper Fi...the citizens are supposed to emforce the law not just the gov or in OTHERWORDS not the military taking care of you both.......you made miilions just for the past years well my company mande BILLIONS for the past 30 years and my taxes did feed both of your tables......IT has been oursourced already so I DOUBT IT IT IS ABIG LIE YOU TELL SEMPER FI go and tell your drugdealer friends. Yes there are millions that think like flip flop and I but the difference is that you and Semper fi were supported by OUR MONEY REMEMBER THAT!! YOU OWE US BIG!!!
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Semper Fi
ReplyDeleteWay to go guys. Not many can do that and I congratulate you all. I have a friend in IT and he talked about some really big contracts but he was a worker bee and the bosses treat them well. I'm glad to hear "the dream" is out there and you got a piece of the pie.
I went back to school after I got out and did fairly good working in a hospital but nothing like your success. Wife and I are happy enough with what we have and give thanks to the Lord for what he's given us.
Doug (a proud farm boy and veteran)
Dough Semper Fi Jimmie the same or whatever......remember after WWII no war has been justified in other words you fought for nothing!! remember that definitely your service is worthwhile but saying i serve in the military with WARS that are of self interest you WaSTED YOUr timE Last who r you kidding again IT has been outsourced to India, CHina etc etc ....................Michael
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ReplyDeleteBillions, huh? Right (lol). Your taxes fed both of our tables, huh? I really wonder about your claims as you've only tried to slap us down to make yourself feel better. NICE TOUCH. Go ahead and keep it up. I won't go come down to your level.
I'm supposed to trust a SAR, huh? Trust is a two way street and you are still going down a one-way flush.
The only way you can join SAR is to be blood relative of those who were part of the American Revolution? Living off of somebody else's service isn't what I'd call respectable. Are your genes telling you how much better you are than others?
But I guess you weren't able to join the service. Wonder why???
Millions support Flip Flop? Really? So far we're only up to three or possibly four on this blog but I think Flip Flop is using an alias or two. Good one...
Semper Fi and I were supported by YOUR MONEY and we OWE YOU BIG? Really? Your taxes were only a drop in the bucket that put food on many service men and women's table. You are just a drop in the bucket when it comes to taxpayers and don't forget it.
Don't forget.....all of us farm boys (and girls) put the food out there so YOU could buy it.
You are only as big as the guy next to you on the street, SAR or no SAR.
You have no respect for Semper Fi nor I? Strange you should say this - I won't lose any sleep over it. You are so like an officer I used to know. Walk around with his chest out and probably pounded on it a few times to say "I'm in charge." But so much like a roster on the farm...you have to earn respect and you HAVE NOT EARNED ANYTHING with the attempted slap downs you try to hand out.
Sad day if one has to look up to a SAR; especially when their genes are speaking to them.
Doug (farm boy who helped put the food out there for SAR tables)
HA! HA! good job Dough I see after all your game having many alias such as Semper fi, jimmy or dough! ha! good job michael you tokk his mask out!!
ReplyDeleteBy the way micahel never saif he belongs to the SAR no I know for sure you are the real deal = american peon. I guess after all peons are the same regardless where you come from'
John
HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA ! Dough the veteran peon!!!HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !HA !
ReplyDeletefor your info the SAR have high military ranking members....you see they are even your superiors in blood and rank.....you want to be a real military man then have both and see if you can part of the oldest militia in the US......in Massachussetts you would still not qualify why because you are a P..N!! hA!
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling Dough is an immigrant ( brought heare at an early age) or at most his grandparents were immigrants. I am sure OF THIS@@!
ReplyDeleteI don't care what anybody says. I have been in Irak and Afghanistan and fought along with soldiers that are hipsnics and met many who eventually became citizens and others that DIED!! SO for these people who left the illegal families their fathers geve their lives for this country GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO STAY!!!@
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To comrade Doug: (like Sir Michael said)
ReplyDeleteOne last word before I head out on a business trip; should be back in a couple of weeks.
Michael....why don't you tell the government to outsource the security of their networks?
Could you imagine our computer network security given to another country in this day and age? Have another beer Michael and then head off to one of your SAR meetings so you can crow like one of Doug's roosters back on the farm.
My friends and I have contracts with OUR government and cannot "outsource" or sub-contract any of our work for them. End of story.
I don't make billions and probably won't because I don't plan to work too much longer. I do have to complete the current contract and then start my own consulting service. I can work when I want or not.
Michael I sincerely doubt you've made billions. Doug - do you need another rooster on your farm? You might not. One too many running around on the farm crowing, strutting around like the king, and only able to screw around to make anything of value.
Semper Fi
Semper fi you are another peon......tell me who your friends are and i will tell you .....are..........i am surprise you do IT when you don't even understand English.....I don't belong to the SAR..amazing how ignorant you are and insulting the SAR whoa has tons of prestige next to you .... a simple moron...i guess must be your military brainless mind.....I wonder with people like you doing IT we are in toruble....go to your trip that is probably do drugs and fly......fly fly ignorant peasant!!!yeah and i doubt you made millions .......you are still my peasant and peon remember that I supported you all those years while you were pampered in the military.......even dough's rooster has more class than you do....oh! stop doing drugs and tell people lies you work in IT and make millions................just like the WAR lies lies lies !
ReplyDeleteDough why do you lie and hide behind Semper fi or any other aliases........?
ReplyDeleteSemper fi you will never have the blood of a real american remember that...........
ReplyDeletenice game Semper fi( or i should say Dough)....if Semper fi were real he would not be answering this way. you are what betweem 45-55 If you made the millions you claim you would be too busy even to bother writing these things you see!!@ LIAR LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!!HA!!
ReplyDeleteTheodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. 'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.' - Theodore Roosevelt 1907
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Flip Flop.....or John...welcome back. (thought you weren't going to post anymore?)
ReplyDeleteNice try. Trying to shift it over to me. At least I'll always put my name on my posts. I'm proud to be a veteran and a farm boy. I don't need to hide from Flip Flop or anybody else.
Remember I showed your true face a long time ago - nice try Flip Flop. Bet the alias of J, John, Peter, Michael fits like a glove.
You were also the one to use "wetback" and try to use "mexican traits" in slamming them - that's pretty darn low......
I'll call them how I see it - illegal alien - and won't hide it.
Nice try to shift the focus away from you..... to throw it back. Look at my posts - you should always see my name next to it unlike many others.
I'd rather be a "peon" than lie making a billion or take another person's posts like you are doing. And I won't pretend to be better than a person next to me on the street by belonging to the SAR. Hope your genes continue a long line of "roosters."
Doug (a proud farm boy and veteran)
The Irish immigration of the 18th century and the Mexican immigration of the 20th century should be compared.
ReplyDeleteIrish immigrants took the potentially high-mortality occupations as they arrived, but within a generation or two were farmers, construction workers, factory workers, and land-owners. By three to four generations, there was a high college attendance rate, and a high rate of middle class status among Irish-descendants. Twenty-two presidents have Irish blood including Obama, Clinton, the Bushes, Reagan, Kennedy, and Truman. 18th century US citizens stereotyped Irish immigrants as violent and drunk. There were many Irish gangs initially. There were large numbers of unemployed, slum-living first time immigrants of Irish decent that perpetuated the stereotype. "No Irish Need Apply" or NINA signs were seen in the late 19th century as Protestants discriminated against Irish Catholics.
Will the same thing happen to Mexican immigrants?
John2000
TO: Anonymous July 20, 10 7:14pm (why do you hide Peter? or is it J? or John? "whatever")
ReplyDeleteFrom Massachusetts, huh? Probably Boston too. No wonder the holier than thou attitude.
I'm sure SAR has high military members. So? They "may" have more of a right than you to think they are bigger roosters but I'm not talking about them...I'm talking to you, one who has never served and you are the one crowing like you did something by being in SAR.
You are the one using another's accomplishments and never could join the service for whatever reason. You are the one pretending to have some claim to "better blood."
Just like the roosters back on the farm. Strutting around thinking you're the cream of the crop. Guess what happened to all the roosters back on the farm after awhile? They were made into a chicken dinner.
At least I don't have to pretend who or what I am. How about you?
Doug (a proud farm boy and veteran) (and now a proud peon too)
TO: Anonymous Jul 20, 10 7:16pm
ReplyDelete(still hiding, huh? no problem. I have a good idea who you are; a SAR hiding under other person's accomplishments)
You have a feeling? So glad to hear it but I doubt it very much. Go ahead and slam away. At least I know who I am and now I know how much of a rooster you are.
Doug (a proud farm boy and veteran) (and now a proud peon too)
TO: Anonymous Jul 20, 10 7:32pm
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This one I happen to agree with you on. If an illegal alien serves in Iraq or Afghanistan, I agree they should stay in the U.S.
(why do you hide Dough? or is it Semper Fi? or Jimmy? "whatever")
ReplyDeleteJust like the roosters back on the farm. Strutting around thinking you're the cream of the crop. Guess what happened to all the roosters back on the farm after awhile? They were made into a chicken dinner.
At least I don't have to pretend who or what I am. How about you?
Michael(your master)
TO: Anonymous Jul 20, 10 7:32pm
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
This one I happen to agree with you on. If an illegal alien serves in Iraq or Afghanistan, I agree they should stay in the U.S.
HYPOCRATE!! just sometime ago you said if an illegal serves you did not care....
TO: Anonymous July 20, 2010 7:49 PM
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug (a proud farm boy and veteran) (and now a proud peon too)
Hide behind anonymous if you may. I will always use my name and proudly too.
Semper Fi does not represent me or my views. If he does so be it. If he doesn't, so be it. Just like you and each of your ex-names.....
what is the difference if you give you life either there or working here being exploited....I am sorry Dough but you are full of horse m........i guess again why you were in the military with smeperfi your 2nd alias becuase youa re a loser@@!had nothing to ambition in life!!
ReplyDeleteTO: Michael (the master)
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
Just what I expected....
TO: Those who believe in following the law
ReplyDeleteFROM: Doug
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
• Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
• Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
• Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
you have a point. I agree it makes no difference where you give you life. Either as a soldier or as a civilian it should not matter. The illegal alien if proven a contributor to the US should and MUST BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO STAY!!
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I like this as if it were real time.......dough = Semper fi if you are really an IT guy and you go away so what? you have your smartphone to keep on writing feedback in here........Dough or I must say Semper fi or whatever.......good try to make believe tobasically say 10-4? ha!
ReplyDeleteThis We'll Defend I do agree with you. I finally found a military man with brains.....I hope you find no harm whenever and wherever you are and you come back home safe at all times. We do need people like yourself in the military and the civilian population. THANK YOU!!
Michael
again dough = semper fi = flip flop = McCain you said even if illegals served in the military and gave their lives they should be deported!!?? and now you said they should stay?? what kind of an american are you? are y o an american at all? ithink you came here in an eraly age and at most your parents were born here....
ReplyDeleteMichael ( you rmaster again)
Doug
ReplyDeleteYou let them get to you and you didn't keep your eye on why the blog started out.
It's about our current situation and has nothing to do what happened before, during, and after the American Revolution.
Right now, right here we have a problem with the millions of illegals. Focus on the problem at hand and don't let them twist it on values that once existed but exists no more. Down in Texas we are over run with more and more Hispanics moving in and can't even speak English. Can they all be legal immigrants? I rather doubt it. We still help our neighbors who are also ranchers but a few have had it and sold out. They were lucky to get the offers they had and lost so much from the sale of their home.
Our values and most of our traditions have been corrupted by our elected officials and by them trying to be politically correct. See if this makes any sense:
we have too many republican senators
we have too many democratic senators
and not enough US Senators
Doug - just keep your eye on what this post is about in the "here and now" - don't let others drag you down.
You were being civil for many posts but now have been dragged into the name calling and you fell for it. Keep it civil and you'll be okay.
With all that's said and done, I'm with you. My sister and her hubby's land borders Mexico; it belonged to her hubby's family. They have a rather nice fence to keep the cattle from straying into Mexico or wherever. If they don't go out to fix the fences almost daily, they will lose what they've been working for. They often find their fences with large holes where it looks like it's been kicked in. The trash that is left on their property by those passing through is getting out of hand. Last week they said they are moving up close to us and enough is enough. They don't know if they will be able to sell their place but will try.
Don't know why I'm telling you all of this but I guess it's because you're a farm boy. Take heart, you are not alone.
Betty Lou from Austin, Texas
Betty how long have you lived in the border and for that time you have been there how lomg has it been that the situation is like you are telling it?
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After all dough you are a total fake whose convictions, opinions and integrity flip flop. You don't stick to the point, insult people and then you retract yourself. News for you you are dealing with americans not with farm ignorant boys.....remeber that.....
ReplyDeleteFound this blog today and I've been reading all the nasty comments people have been making.
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe the attitude of how those guys are better than all the others because of the SAR and how he picked on Fernando, a new American.
I cannot believe how Doug is so stuck on "send them all home." Can't we just agree to disagree?
And all the name calling, sounds like my kids. Just see the last post as an example....
My two cents for all it's worth.
great@ finally another real american with a constructive feedback.......but read back nobodu claims the SAR here or being better becaus of that DOugh is the one who took it that way...
ReplyDeleteand if Fernando has illegal family why on earth he against his own people........
ReplyDeletehow come even Cesar Chavez from the farm organization got to meet Robert Kennedy and did something for this country and you Dough being "born" here did not do anything like his effforts as a farm boy!!>>???
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe the attitude of how those guys are better than all the others because of the SAR and how he picked on Fernando, a new American.
ReplyDeleteHERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
does that make me more american than you are? No from the individual level but """"""yes at the family and historical level as well as at the gene level."""""
dough my ancestry comes from The Great migration ( WINTHROP fleet) also """"""many of my ancestors have statues throughout the US."""""""
I mean the people who really built this place from scratch as well as the descendants did keep certain convictions and ways of thinking that shows """"""through the genes believe it or not. """"""
"""""""""These genes somehow have given me the ability to tell your ancestry is young. You are not the first time that I have been correct."""""""""
""""""""There will be a regional meeting in New England for the Sons of the American Revolution . Perhaps we can get together and travel to see the ancestors' graves. """"""""
"""""""""Don't be so jealous about Peter's background or as you say my aristocratic background. """""""
"""""""You are right we belong to the american aristocracy but that is not my fault you can go ahead and take it with your ancestors that unlike ours yours"""""""" probably came to the US penniless.......
NOBODY CAIMS THE SAR HERE OR BEING BETTER???????
but read back nobodu claims the SAR here or being better becaus of that DOugh is the one who took it that way...
July 21, 2010 5:25 PM
My two cents for all it's worth.
I still cannot believe the attitude of how those boys are better than all the others because of the SAR (or better genes)...
ReplyDeleteMy two cents for all it's worth.
http://www.personalliberty.com/liberty/confessions-of-an-illegal-alien/
ReplyDeleteConfessions Of An Illegal Alien
I believe Arizona’s Immigration Law S.B. 1070 is going to be damn effective. In fact I think it should be adopted across the United States. What special insight do I have into the matter? I used to be an illegal alien.
My two cents for all it's worth.
Dough I thought you always wrote your name down so now from now on and the last messages you are Anonymous! good job!
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.personalliberty.com/liberty/confessions-of-an-illegal-alien/
Confessions Of An Illegal Alien
I believe Arizona’s Immigration Law S.B. 1070 is going to be damn effective. In fact I think it should be adopted across the United States. What special insight do I have into the matter? I used to be an illegal alien.
My two cents for all it's worth.
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YOU ARE POINTLESS!! Under the law the son/daughter of a US citizen regardless what side mother/father is a US Citizen. SO! UNDER THE LAW..........as soon as he was born he was a US citizen......HE WAS NEVER AN ILLEGAL!! ..you are not even worth 2 CENTS!!
AGREED
ReplyDeleteThis article you mentioned
http://www.personalliberty.com/liberty/confessions-of-an-illegal-alien/
is the perfect example how politicians and uneducated americans on the matter of immigration get trapped into a big lie. Confessions of an illegal really! confession of a US citizen at birth that is well off financially..........you are a dissapointment dude!!
Is this all you got Dough! or anonymous or you make my point even more obvious that most people are ignorant about the immigration issue and do panic with the stupid media we have in the US
So the illegal's dad was a US citizen at birth and his son was bor in Canada. The company he worked for his father was the boss confessions of an illegal HA!! HEY we americans are not stupid we read and realize of your LIES!! two cents or doug or semper fi!!
ReplyDeleteInteresting I also read the article. Anonymous you are the reason why we have such misunderstandings. you just cannot copy and paste a title and a paragraph that causes trouble without understanding what you area dealing with. next, you have some writers and journalists that think they know what they say, in this case, John myers. It is a pity that at his age he writes nonsense, instead of writing good articles that show his experience. I have also read all these posts........Dough you are the problem....if you knew how to argue, then you would have never exposed yourself to be discovered.
ReplyDeleteHey Congress.... enforce our current laws and illegal aliens will self deport. Businesses must not get away with current "slave labor."
ReplyDeleteThe information below is taken from news sources. Each party in the report either confessed or was convicted of hiring illegal immigrants. These cases are listed to illustrate the widespread abuse and recently increasing prosecution of companies employing illegal aliens.
May 2010 — Robert Lane Camp, a landscape business owner was sentenced to three months in prison and an additional three months of house arrest for harboring an illegal immigrant. He told the federal judge that thought it was just a civil violation that he employed the worker, who he knew was illegally present. The illegal employment came to light because the alien, who had previously been deported, murdered a Houston police officer following his arrest. (Houston Chronicle, May 10, 2010).
April 2010 — Larry Gunsorek, president and founding partner of Anchor Management Group in central Ohio pled guilty to allowing undocumented workers to do renovation, construction, landscaping and maintenance work at properties his company managed. He was sentenced to two years’ probation including six months of in-home confinement and fined $2,000. (Columbus Dispatch, April 16, 2010).
March 2010 — Juan Nuno-Ramirez, the owner of three Guadalajara Restaurants in Billings, MT pled guilty to helping illegal aliens obtain fraudulent immigration documents and knowingly hiring them. One of the illegal aliens was his sister. (The Great Falls Tribune, March 16, 2010).
March 2010 — The owner of a Danny’s Subway sandwich shop in Phoenix is the first firm sanctioned under the state’s law against knowingly employing an illegal alien. The shop is required to suspend operations for two days for a first offense. The penalty arose after federal immigration authorities found that the owner had re-employed an illegal alien worker after firing the worker when informed by the federal authorities the worker was illegal. The owner of the franchise was fined $431 by the federal government. (The Arizona Republic, March 10, 2010).
March 2010 — Ramon Ornelas, the owner of eight Casa Fiesta Mexican restaurants across northern Ohio pled guilty last month to harboring illegal immigrants and filing false tax returns. He faces a sentence of at least one year in prison. Ornelas had been involved in a previous case a decade earlier of hiring illegal alien workers. In a raid of the restaurants, 64 illegal aliens were detained, and about 55 have already been deported. Some workers said they worked 12-hour days, six days a week and were paid $500 to $600 in cash every two weeks, i.e. about $3.50 to $4 an hour. (The Plain Dealer, March 8, 2010)
February 2010 — US Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced an agreement with Koch Food Inc. in which the firm agreed to pay a fine of more than $536,000 stemming from a 2007 raid at its plant in Southwest Ohio in which 161 illegal alien workers were apprehended. (Associated Press, February 12, 2010)
December 2009 — An Arizona company, Eurofresh Inc., has agreed to pay $937,460 in back wages to 587 workers to settle a U.S. Labor Department investigation into its hiring practices which included firing 527 U.S. workers and replacing them with foreign agricultural workers. The company also underpaid workers, did not provide required housing and made illegal paycheck deductions, according to the Labor Department. (Arizona Republic, December 4, 2009)
ReplyDeleteNovember 2009 — A settlement was announced in a case against Columbia Farms in Greenville, South Carolina that resulted from an October 2008 worksite raid that resulted in the detention of more than 300 illegal alien workers. About 21 Latino illegal alien supervisors were tried and convicted and served time in jail before being deported. The parent company, House of Raeford Farms accepted responsibility for employing illegal alien workers, agreed to pay a $1.5 million dollar fine and participate in the E-Verify employee document verification system in exchange for dropping charges against two managers and instead putting them on probation. (Charlotte Observer, November 4, 2009.)
October 2009 — Robert Lane Camp, the owner of a landscape business in Houston, pled guilty to employing and harboring an illegal alien. The illegal alien, Leonardo Quintero, was earlier convicted of the shooting death of a Houston police officer when he was stopped while driving a truck of the landscape business. As a result of the plea, the prosecution recommended a prison sentence of three months, three months of home confinement and five years of probation rather than the five years of prison and a $250,000 fine that he faced. (Houston Chronicle, October 5, 2009.)
October 2009 — Mary Gurin, the owner of a temporary employment agency in suburban Chicago, was sentenced to three years in federal prison for knowingly aiding the employment of illegal aliens at secure areas of O’Hare International Airport. Her assistant, Norinye Benitez, was sentence to one year and one day of prison. (The Chicago Tribune, October 1, 2009)
My two cents for all it's worth.
AGAIN!! thank you for contradiciting YOURSLEF again .....NOT congress but the People screwed up.....i don;t see any congress or congress member(s) being fined above......
ReplyDeleteI'm with you on this:
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. 'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant WHO COMES HERE IN GOOD FAITH >>>>>>>> illegals are not coming here in good faith>>>>>>>>> becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.' - Theodore Roosevelt 1907
This We'll Defend
July 20, 2010 8:00 PM
My two cents for all it's worth.
COME ON 2 cents..Dough or whatever....you are just like the article confessions of an illegal....completely hollow!......no meaning....no purpose...just fake....is your life like this?
ReplyDeleteHey Congress.... enforce our current laws and illegal aliens will self deport. Businesses must not get away with current "slave labor."
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
AGAIN!! thank you for contradiciting YOURSLEF again .....NOT congress but the People screwed up.....i don;t see any congress or congress member(s) being fined above......
July 22, 2010 5:31 PM
CONGRESS CANNOT BE FINED YOU MORON. BIG BUSINESS CAN AND IS. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A WHOLE LOT MORE IS WHAT I'M SAYING YOU *^&% MORON.
My two cents for all it's worth.
COMPLETELY HOLLOW WITH NO MEANING, NO PURPOSE, AND JUST FAKE - LIKE YOU - YOU MORON.
ReplyDeleteCOME ON 2 cents..Dough or whatever....you are just like the article confessions of an illegal....completely hollow!......no meaning....no purpose...just fake....is your life like this?
July 22, 2010 5:40 PM
My two cents for all it's worth.
hese cases are listed as a demonstration that better prevention of illegal immigration is a public safety issue even though these cases are not representative of the illegal alien population in general. These cases refer to crimes other than terrorism.
ReplyDeleteJuly 2010 — Rodolfo Godinez Gomez, a Nicaraguan illegal alien was convicted in Newark, New Jersey for the 2007 execution-style slayings of three persons and attempted murder of a fourth by members of the Mara Salvatrucha gang and was sentenced to three life terms plus 20 years. Godinez entered the United States in 1992 and was ordered deported in 1993. He was arrested as a juvenile for robbery in 1999 and was put on probation for 18 months. In 2002 he was arrested and indicted for aggravated assault, robbery and weapons possession. In 2003 he was arrested for robbery in Newark and sentenced to 18 months of probation. (Associated Press, July 8, 2010).
June 2010 — Ismael Lopez-Rodriguez, an illegal alien, was indicted for vehicular homicide in Dalton, Georgia. Charges against him included failure to register a car, failure to get a license, identity fraud, forgery and giving false information to authorities. Before he could be brought to trial he was released on bail and deported. (Dalton Daily Citizen, June 20, 2010).
June 2010 — Maynor Quintanilla-Leon an illegal alien pled guilty to sexually exploiting a minor to produce child pornography in Prince George’s County, Maryland. He faces a sentence of between 15 and 30 years in prison. He also agreed as part of a plea bargain to be deported after he has completed his sentence. (Washington Post, June 4, 2010)
May 2010 — Rene Pinto Melendez, a Honduran illegal alien, pled guilty to second-degree murder, second-degree rape and felony larceny. At the time he committed the murder, he was out on bond awaiting trial on charges of drunken driving and had two earlier DWI convictions in Michigan using a different name. (WRAL.com News, June 4, 2010)
May 2010 — Joel Eliazar Ortega, an illegal alien, was convicted in Reno Nevada to life in prison for dragging a paralyzed woman out of her wheelchair, raping her, and leaving her nude in an alley to die. (Reno Gazette, May 26, 2010)
May 2010 — Jose Lopez Madrigal, a Mexican illegal alien, is in jail in Seattle charged with rape. His fingerprints established that he has been deported nine times since 1989 when he was deported following a conviction for armed robbery. His other convictions included narcotics trafficking and sexual assault. (KING5 TV News, May 21, 2010)
April 2010 — Christian Daniel Castro Alvarez, a Mexican teenager, pled guilty to killing a Border Patrol agent. He was sentenced to 40 years in prison in San Diego. (Los Angeles Times, April 30, 2010)
My two cents for all it's worth
April 2010 — Enrique Mendez, an illegal immigrant..."with at least five previous arrests for driving while under the influence of alcohol notched his sixth arrest Saturday night when a trooper stopped him for a traffic violation..." in Westchester NY and determined he was intoxicated. His license was suspended after his last DWI conviction. There is now a federal immigration detainer to put him into deportation proceedings. (LoHud.com [Lower Hudson] April 13, 2010)
ReplyDeleteApril 2010 — Ten illegal aliens pled guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud by filing fake income tax returns in North and South Carolina that bilked the federal government of about $13 million. Of those identified, eight were Mexican (Edgar Carrillo-Borjas, Miguel Angel Carrillo-Borjas, David Hernandez-Juarez, Ariana Canseco-Orozco, Maribel Juan-Orozco, Cristina Sanchez-Perez, Juan Carlos Carrillo-Roy, Carlos Carrillo-Rodriguez) and one was Costa Rican (Luis Gerardo Mora-Vargas). (Greenville News, April 2, 2010)
April 2010 — Efrain Gomez-Gomez, a Honduran illegal alien, was sentenced to 42 years in prison for two sexual assaults in Phoenix in 2009 and the attempted kidnapping in 2007 of a teenage girl. (KOLD News, April 7, 2010)
March 2010 — Hector Salina, a Mexican illegal alien, was convicted in Bellingham Washington of rape and faces a life sentence as a three-strike offender. He previously had been convicted of robbery and assault and had been deported at least five times. (Bellingham Herald, May 28, 2010)
March 2010 — Neftali Urrutia-Barrera, an illegal alien member of the MS-13 gang, was sentenced to 60 years imprisonment for two of a string of crimes in Northern Virginia committed in 2008. Testimony established that on Sept. 17, 2008 he shot and wounded three persons he thought were members of a rival gang. One of the victims, who was not a gang member, resulted paralyzed from the waist down. On Oct. 6, 2008: he and two other MS-13 members shot three people, one of whom was not a member of a rival gang, in Reston. At the time of his conviction for those crimes, he was already imprisoned for the near fatal knifing of a man mistakenly identified as a rival gang member later in October in Richmond. (Loudon County Times, March 31, 2010)
March 2010 — Santana Batiz-Aceves, a Mexican illegal alien, pled guilty in Arizona to 12 of 47 counts including child molestation, sexual conduct with a minor, kidnapping, aggravated assault and burglary from June 2006 to November 2007. Batiz-Aceves agreed to a 168-year prison sentence as part of a plea agreement. (AP in Washington Post, March 1, 2010)
My two cents for all it's worth
February 2010 — Francis Hernandez, a Guatemalan illegal alien, was found guilty in Colorado of vehicular homicide and other charges relating to the death of three people in a crash he caused when he ran a red light driving 80 mph in a 40-mph zone. Hernandez had a dozen prior arrests but avoided identification as an illegal alien by using 12 aliases and two dates of birth. He was sentenced to 60 years in prison. (AP in New York Times, February 23, 2010)
ReplyDeleteFebruary 2010 — Leonardo DeLeon, aka Cristan Reconco-Solorzano, a Honduran illegal alien, pled guilty in Myrtle Beach, Florida to illegally reentering the country. He was convicted of attempted murder in Texas in 1999 and deported in 2001. When he was arrested, he was active in the Mexican Mafia street gang. He faces a sentence of up to 20 years in prison. (The Sun News, February 11, 2010)
February 2010 — Felix Montoya, a Colombian illegal alien, was sentenced in Pennsylvania to life in prison plus 20 40 years for raping a 5-year-old girl. (The Times Tribune, February 2, 2010)
January 2010 — Heydeman Armando Argueta-Godoy, a Guatemalan illegal alien who had been previously deported, pled guilty to attempted kidnapping in South Reno. He tried to lure a 13 and a 14-year old girl into his truck and subsequently tried to kidnap a woman jogger using gardening shears. He was sentenced to 11 years in prison. (The Reno Gazette-Journal, January 27, 2010)
January 2010 — Jose Felix Huerta-Valdez, an illegal alien, pled guilty to possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine. He was arrested in Woodburn, Oregon and sentenced to six and one-half years in prison. (The Statesman Journal, January 27, 2010)
January 2010 — Conses Garcia Zacarias, an illegal alien, pled guilty in Carmel, New York to vehicular homicide (DWI) in the deaths of a mother and daughter. He was sentenced to eight years and four months in prison. (AP at WCAX, January 13, 2010)
January 2010 — Jesus Anguiano Robles, an illegal alien, pled guilty to possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute in Dallas, Texas. Anguiano was previously deported at least nine times and had a previous drug conviction as well as convictions for assault with a firearm, hit and run with property damage, giving a false name to a police officer, carrying a concealed weapon and receiving stolen property. He faces a sentence of up to 10 years in prison. (Dallas Morning News, January 1, 2010)
THIS WAS FOR 2010 AND IS ONLY A DROP IN THE BUCKET; IT TOOK ME ONLY 10 MINUTES TO FIND THESE. BET I COULD FIND A WHOLE LOT MORE........
My two cents for all it's worth
These poor illegal aliens; we need to help them come to the US and become American Citizens SO PEOPLE LIKE THIS:
ReplyDeleteCOME ON 2 cents..Dough or whatever....you are just like the article confessions of an illegal....completely hollow!......no meaning....no purpose...just fake....is your life like this?
July 22, 2010 5:40 PM
CAN HELP THEM OUT. (We'll call you Mr. Moron)
*In Los Angeles, 95% of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens.
• Some private reports state that 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix and 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque, New Mexico, are for illegal aliens. These reports cannot be verified, of course, because the feds discourage law enforcement agencies from releasing such statistics.
• At any given time, up to 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
• 23% of all inmates in LA County detention centers are "deportable."
• LA police estimate that violent gangs, such as MS-13 and 18th Street Gang, are "overwhelmingly" composed of illegal aliens.
To read one very enlightening testimony given before Congress by an expert on illegal immigration containing some of the above information (and much more), go here.
In addition, the Pew Hispanic Center (an organization friendly to all things Hispanic) reports that by 2007, "nearly one-quarter (24%) of all federal convictions" involve illegal aliens. And "among those sentenced for immigration offenses in 2007, 80% were Hispanic." The PHC went on to report that illegal Hispanics "represented 29% of all federal offenders."
My two cents for all it's worth
hey Moron,
ReplyDeleteHow about this one? You want illegal aliens in the US and welcome them all, huh?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52198
Charged with molesting a 12-year-old girl, Juan Leonardo Qunitero had been deported back to Mexico in 1999 as an illegal alien. Nevertheless, last week, he was back in the U.S., living comfortably in a city that prohibited police from asking anyone about their immigration status.
My two cents for all it's worth
What a moron you are two cents! now i definitely know you r mentally challenged!....if the people would have followed the law we would not have this problems dont be a hypocrate and blame the gov also stay out of drugs........!
ReplyDeleteAin't life just great for illegals; how about those being killed by illegals?
ReplyDeleteWASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
My two cents for all it's worth