I'm just joking, of course. Most of the people who partake in some weed don't fit the stereotype of a typical stoner.
That being said, Prop 19 did bring up some fortunate dialogue about the future of legalizing marijuana. Perhaps this bit of legislation needs some "tightening up" before it's plausible. For instance, the legislation as it stands would have given localities the discretion to set their own tax base. This should be mandated by the state, and should be the same across all municipalities to level the playing field, so to speak.
In addition, there needs to be some sort of arrangement with the federal government. Eric Holder vowed to "vigorously pursue" those "legally" selling marijuana in California.
What are your views on Prop 19 polls & results indicating that it failed?
Wow, I'm actually incredibly surprised.
ReplyDeleteWell, back to the ever uneducated, sterotypical, ancient America, where we make sure that we do what we think our fore fathers would have done to be free from the tyranny of the larger governments...
ReplyDeleteI'm a Libertarian and I voted against it. Why? I want to see California failed and bankrupt. I want them to cut all of their bullshit programs first, then I'll let the hippies smoke themselves silly without welfare to fall back on.
ReplyDeletewell if maybe some of you would really read what the prop. said you would see the "true" stoners would vote no what was poorly written... it doesn't not protect those that need to be protected (will not go in to it read it yourself) and no matter what they still would be knocking down our doors to tell us "NO"! I am super glad this didn't pass (and FYI I am green party so we all know I am down to legalize it but when it is better written for the people not the "man")
ReplyDeleteIt takes a really screwed up person to want to see an entire state fail and bankrupt themselves. Way to go asshole.
ReplyDeleteWHY???? you f^^^^^g idiots... the legalization of marijuana would have allowed many hemp-based industries to get started and flourish in California. In a time when our nation has SOLD all of it's home born industries (like steel to the Chinese). This bill, if passed, could have helped to revolutionize our economy... It is a well know FACT, that marijuana can be used to make MANY products(plastic, paper, construction materials...and the list goes on). You idiots just blew yet another chance to start chipping away at your deficit... On top of this, you are allowing the continuance of prosecution of NON-VIOLENT (mostly sedated actually) people... F^^^ YOU CALIFORNIA... You just proved why so many people in other countries make fun of the USA... FYI ^^^holes.... Portugal legalized 10 years ago and have had no problems since... In fact the usage statistics for marijuana have drop dramatically in Portugal.... STOP THE STUPID PROPAGANDA AND DO SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY HELP AMERICA, INSTEAD OF CONTINUE TO HURT IT....!!!! ALL AMERICANS SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED.... I KNOW I AM!!!!
ReplyDeleteWell then, aren't you just an asshole? Damned Libertarians.
ReplyDeleteI propose a new bill... Week long voting.... Just for you stoned people who just could not stand up because your gravity bong knocked you on your ass, AGAIN!!!!
ReplyDeleteYES I am an Asshole... And I prefer it that way...thanks...have a good one
ReplyDeleteNot surprised at all! I think that most cultivators are more afraid of loosing their business and can't look past themselves. They should remember the true reason we need them to grow. Remember, this is a nonprofit industry and it was implemented to provide safe access and better medicine for patients! Isn't that the goal? So, remind me again why we don't want this for anyone who chooses to partake in Cannabis usage. If you are in the Cannabis industry in some way and you voted no on 19, well... You should really ask yourself what you just did with your vote...
ReplyDeleteAnd for your info, I AM A REPUBLICAN...
ReplyDelete"I'm a Libertarian and I voted against it. Why? I want to see California failed and bankrupt. I want them to cut all of their bullshit programs first, then I'll let the hippies smoke themselves silly without welfare to fall back on. "
ReplyDeleteUmm, too late?
A Republican that WOULD HAVE DRAGGED HIMSELF TO VOTE YES ON PROP 19... Yep I am an ASSHOLE RIGHT??? and apparently misconstrued as a Lib...HAHAHAHA Read a book... I smoke tons dude... and I still read...
ReplyDeleteFirst prop 8 passes, then prop 19 fails. Just goes to show that most people who vote are the older generations who are stuck in their conservative ways.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDelete"I'm a Libertarian and I voted against it. Why? I want to see California failed and bankrupt. I want them to cut all of their bullshit programs first, then I'll let the hippies smoke themselves silly without welfare to fall back on. "
Umm, too late?
November 3, 2010 8:56 AM """
at least this person has SOME logic... let people watch as their uninformed decisions destroy their already depleting economy... Funny actually!!
I am sure Prop 19 was just like the Bush votes. There is the truth and then there is the "final result". Much like when Bush got back in office I am sure that the Prop 19 has suffered the same fate!
ReplyDeleteReally sad when drug cartels influence a vote so they can continue to do illegal activities. We spend billions to fight it and an x on the yes box would have done it. Maybe they should move the movement say to... Minnesota yea, bring it here far away from Mexico. Probably will pass ~ I'm in...
ReplyDeleteIts a sad day indeed. He did say that this is just the beginning and it is. In the next few years to come we will see some huge changes. Anonymous, I believe that the "older" voters had a lot to do with this. It will change. We just have to let it take its course of ignorance. I have faith.
ReplyDeleteAlcohol is perfectly acceptable, but marijuana isn't? Someone PLEASE explain this to me.
ReplyDeleteI'm convinced people who hold this mentality have never actually had any THC. They just nod their heads, mouth agape, to the memory of their 9th grade health class showing of Reefer Madness.
Unfortunately, I think a big problem the anti-prohibition movement has is its image. Its biggest supporters are always people who look like burnt out stoners. I work in a state legislature and pot protesters are always dirty, crazy sounding hippies.
It looked like that was changing a little bit in California, but it's a hard image to shake.
Wait! I think the "libertarian above" meant to say he is a Republican...
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAlcohol is perfectly acceptable, but marijuana isn't? Someone PLEASE explain this to me.
I'm convinced people who hold this mentality have never actually had any THC. They just nod their heads, mouth agape, to the memory of their 9th grade health class showing of Reefer Madness.
Unfortunately, I think a big problem the anti-prohibition movement has is its image. Its biggest supporters are always people who look like burnt out stoners. I work in a state legislature and pot protesters are always dirty, crazy sounding hippies.
It looked like that was changing a little bit in California, but it's a hard image to shake.
November 3, 2010 9:30 AM""
you sir, would get my vote if you ran in North Carolina. and I agree about the image aspect of your statements... the UNEDUCATED NAY SAYERS ARE ALL PRIM AND PROPER IN APPEARANCE...DUH!!!!!! When you are trying to accomplish something important, try being sober in appearance and where some decent clothes... maybe tuck in your shirt tails... shine your shoes.
Because the state is not legally lighting up today, it is so much easier to smell troll in this thread.
ReplyDeleteLet down, by Californians, and our President
ReplyDeleteI need a cathartic release after waking up to such a tragic disappointment—the failure of California’s Prop. 19. I am entirely disappointed with the California public on rejecting Prop. 19. Imagine the amount of tourist revenue California would have amassed, just by the arrival of both domestic and international visitors enthusiastic to show their support for the passing of Prop. 19. (Not to mention the staggering amount of revenue legal and taxed marijuana would provide the state.) You can kiss the thousands of dollars I alone would have spent in visiting the Golden State good-bye. Give it instead to the murdering banditos across the border, and in our own country, who profit off of marijuana remaining illegal.
Additionally, I am disgusted that our great President -- who I proudly voted for and almost fully support -- had allowed his Attorney General to be so threatening toward California if it did pass Prop. 19. Why all this bravado on cannabis consumers? Why have I not seen that level of testosterone when championing the progressive causes that formed the running platform of the current administration? I mean where was the tough guy when China beat down the Tibetans and Uyghur’s? ...When China railroaded the Copenhagen talks? …When the White House had to oh so delicately receive H.H., the Dalai Lama, so as not to offend China? No, let's reach across the aisle to those who call the President a "liar"; and, while at it, let's threaten the non-violent, tax-paying public for consuming a safe alternative to alcohol -- cannabis.
In what is probably the greatest of ironies, most of these (otherwise) law-abiding citizens voted for our President. These constituents did not get the same level of delicate handling as the Chinese or Republicans, why? It seems like there’s something awfully contradictory over here: Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
The President certainly cannot blame Republicans and Tea Partiers for taking such a negative, regressive and hypocritical stance against Prop. 19. Sarah Plain and Glenn Beck support individual rights, and the right to smoke cannabis! Worse, our excellent, intelligent President smoked and enjoyed it! So, what, us underprivileged Americans have to live under the specter of being a criminal just for consuming what is scientifically proven to be far safer than alcohol, tobacco, and most prescription drugs. This reeks of hypocrisy at its worst. Yes, I am feeling disillusioned, Mr. President.
Also, what happened to all the smokers of the sixties that are now in their golden years? Have they too fallen for the scare tactics, or did they allow themselves to forget what it was like? What about the Latinos and Blacks that are disproportionately arrested for marijuana possession, where were you? Why would this initiative have to have been passed by young voters alone? The absurdities are mounting.
Prior to this morning, I hoped that no (otherwise) law-abiding citizen would ever get arrested for marijuana again – in California, and ultimately the rest of the planet. Now, instead, I hope that every apathetic, comfortable individual who opposed, or did not even show up to vote for Prop. 19's passage has a direct, personal experience of what it's like being a criminal just for using grass. May it provide you pause for thought, and snap you out of the closet of apathy. Because, let me tell you: There is nothing like being arrested, and being treated like a criminal for using cannabis -- by the power of your own tax dollars – and, knowing that you are a good, contributing member of society.
Are you serious "true" stoners. Good luck getting this back on the ballot at all in the next 10 years. The freedom to grow and smoke without the cops harrassing is what I'm pretty sure every "true" stoner wants. If this would have passed, the legistlation could have been worked out in years to come. But now we've pretty much lost any opportunity to get this back on the ballot at all. Way to vote against your own self interest. Yay for more drug war and jail sentences!!
ReplyDeleteI personally am very disappointed that prop 19 didn't go through. It was the first hope in a long time that non-violent people who happen to like to indulge in a little weed after work to unwind had for not being boned in the ass by the cops. It was a step in the right direction, but I'm not really surprised that it didn't pass. A lot of people believe the propoganda about marijuana being dangerous and how potheads are all just deadbeat nobodies. What really grinds my gears is that about 80% of musicians we all know and love smoked a copious amount of weed. Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, they all did drugs. Why do we say their music is ok, but the substance that helped inspire it is not?
ReplyDeleteLet down, by Californians, and our President
ReplyDeleteI need a cathartic release after waking up to such a tragic disappointment—the failure of California’s Prop. 19. I am entirely disappointed with the California public on rejecting Prop. 19. Imagine the amount of tourist revenue California would have amassed, just by the arrival of both domestic and international visitors enthusiastic to show their support for the passage of Prop. 19. (Not to mention the staggering amount of revenue that legal and taxed marijuana would provide the state.) You can kiss the thousands of dollars good-bye that I alone would have spent in visiting the Golden State. Give it instead to the murdering banditos across the border, and in our own country, who profit off of marijuana remaining illegal.
Additionally, I am disgusted that our great President -- who I proudly voted for and almost fully support -- had allowed his Attorney General to be so threatening toward California if it did pass Prop. 19. Why all this bravado against cannabis consumers? Why have I not seen that level of testosterone when championing the progressive causes that formed the running platform of the current administration? I mean where was the tough guy when China beat down the Tibetans and Uyghur’s? ...When China railroaded the Copenhagen talks? …When the White House had to oh so delicately receive H.H., the Dalai Lama, so as not to offend China? No, let's reach across the aisle to those who call the President a "liar"; and, while at it, let's threaten the non-violent, tax-paying public for consuming a safe alternative to alcohol -- cannabis.
In what is probably the greatest of ironies, most of these (otherwise) law-abiding cannabis consumers voted for our President. These constituents did not get the same level of delicate handling as the Chinese or Republicans, why? It seems there’s something awfully contradictory here: Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
The President certainly cannot blame Republicans and Tea Partiers for taking such a negative, regressive and hypocritical stance against Prop. 19. Sarah Plain and Glenn Beck support individual rights, and the right to smoke cannabis! Worse, our excellent, intelligent President smoked and enjoyed it! So, what, us underprivileged Americans have to live under the specter of being a criminal just for consuming what is scientifically proven to be far safer than alcohol, tobacco, and most prescription drugs. This reeks of hypocrisy at its worst. Yes, I am feeling disillusioned.
Also, what happened to all the smokers of the past that are now in their 30’s, 40’s, 50’s and golden years? Have they too fallen for the scare tactics, or did they allow themselves to forget what it was like being a criminal for possessing an innocuous plant substance? What about the Latinos and Blacks that are disproportionately arrested for marijuana possession, where were you? Why would this initiative have to have been passed by young voters alone? The absurdities are mounting.
Prior to this morning, I hoped that no (otherwise) law-abiding citizen would ever get arrested for marijuana again in California – and, ultimately the rest of the planet. Now, instead, I hope that every apathetic, comfortable individual who opposed, or did not even show up to vote for Prop. 19's passage has a direct, personal experience of what it's like being a criminal just for using grass. May it provide you pause for thought, and snap you out of the closet of apathy. Because, let me tell you: There is nothing like being arrested, and being treated like a criminal -- by the power of your own tax dollars – and, knowing that you are a good, contributing member of society.
Cannabis was made illegal by two racist asshole in 1937 because it was a way to put Mexican's and Black's in jail! And put money in there own pocket. Now the half you mindless people need to wake up and educate yourself on the truth. Read and learn before you judge and talk shit!!!!
ReplyDeleteHAHAH YES LOOKS LIKE IM STILL HAVE A JOB!!!! ANYONE WANNA BUY SOME DANK, bIATCH!!!!! pOT GROWERS OF CALIFORNIA LIVE!!!!!! YOU WANT OUR STUFF GO TO THE CLUB AND PAY TOP DOLLOR BITCHE'S!!!! nO ON 19 FOREVER
ReplyDeleteIve read......and i enjoy the fact that i will make another 350,000 dollors next year as well, no on 19 feeds my family, deal with it im going to check on my cash crop.
ReplyDeleteP.S. haha!
yeah....dont educate yourself with mindless dribble about why pot is illegal, instead if your going to educate yourself in corrupt goverment, start with the jesuit order, they are the real bastards ie. illuminati, billdeberg, cfr, the vatican controls the world!!! and has placed Jews at the head of world finances !!!! Jesus Christ is God !!!!
ReplyDeleteAmerica, you so silly.
ReplyDeletewho gives a fuck about pot........Jerry Brown is going to sink america!!! put the bong down and pay attention!!!!
ReplyDeleteviva mexico
ReplyDeleteYou could only keep fooling the uneducated...In the meantime, I'm going to spark up my morning joint...
ReplyDeleteI don't care about prop 19. marajuana is and will always be legal!! Haha
ReplyDeleteOk first off, all votes are rigged. Governement doesn't want hemp legal because it has over 9000 uses including the cure for cancer. they rather you spend countless time and money on Chemotherapy. Its all about the $....It allways has been. Time will tell my friends. learn to swim.
ReplyDeleteSure there were some bad things about Prop 19 but it would have been a good start to legalizing and enlightening people about how marijuana is actually a safe alternative to alcohol. I can understand growers and dealers not wanting Prop 19 to pass. Greed and money get the best of us but we need to keep our fellow cannabis connoisseurs in mind that want to just take a few hits after work or why ever else they smoke.
ReplyDeleteEveryone just needs to calm down and smoke a god damn blunt.
ReplyDeletehelloooooooooooooo.....the cartel doesn't want to legalize it either. The losers that need pot to get through the day don't want to pay taxes on their fix either. Let's just buy it cheap or let us all grow our own while singing kumbya or however you spell it. :) Can't you see what taxes did to gasoline, booze and smokes? It will be the same with dope and dopers and the pot will crawl back underground.
ReplyDeleteI grow, I smoke, I vote, and I voted yes on 19 even with its flaws so that it would open up the industrial hemp door. You want to reduce co2? You need a replacement for fossil fuel? You want a crop that can grow most anywhere and help our agricultural industry? Grow hemp. Yes, the vote to legalize cannabis sativa may never be realized due to the criminals in our government making WAY too much money off it.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I don't consume cannabis, but I've been watching this Prop 19 closely and have to say I'm disappointed in CA not supporting this. Instead of supporting Prop 19 I guess you'll be supporting those non-violent growers, smokers, possessors and dealers as they sit in jail. You will now be supporting those who are unable to support themselves. Real smart.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention, the violent cartels still have a strong-arm on the cultivation and sale of marijuana. The opportunity was there to put a huge dent on cartel activities.
YES! Suck A DICK, DICK LEE! You fucking greedy little bitch, I hope someone kills your dumb ass for trying to monopolize weed you fucking snake in the grass. You poser disgrace to marijuana itself. YEAH LETS JUST HAVE EVERYONE RUNNING AROUND HIGH LIKE RETARDS LIKE ITS NOT BAD ENOUGH. Things are good how they are. BIATCH!
ReplyDeleteThis is why all the stoners voted no
ReplyDeletehttp://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/
Hey you can't smoke, sell or grow that it is illegal you have to go to jail.......oh wait we need money and you can make money off of that?.......lets legalize it, forget all the shit we said prior. Hypocrits!!
ReplyDeleteTax my pot? What kind of taxes do the strawberry growers pay that sell their product on their corner?
ReplyDeleteI'm a stoner, grower, weed activist, voter, and a person who says so what if prop 19 does not pass. Is it gonna stop me from sparkn a joint or me hittin my bong? Nawh! Anyways most of the old people will die by 2012 and all the young people will get what they want next time on 2012 ballet with a better well written prop. Too bad the new world order will begin stompn on everyone but hey a little weed will ease the reality. So don't be mad its not like u r going to stop blazin up. From a real stoners point of view regardless on passed or not we r still high so f__k you and watch me toke for another good smiley and high day. Any nobody gonna take my high b_at_h! So people don't worry and u will get it passed 2012 for sure. Until then let's get high and chill out!
ReplyDeleteMan I cant wait til we weed out all the older generations ridiculousness....Prop 19 was poorly written...anyone who says it wasnt do not have siblings or kids between 18 and 20. Im always high...Im high right now...but I wouldnt have voted yes. We will get it right, but we cant pass what could turn around and bite us in the ass.
ReplyDeletelol...What the stoner said.
ReplyDeletePsst...hey do you have any gasoline, booze, or smokes down here underground that I can buy? C'mon....
ReplyDeleteDumb-a$$ people don't know the difference between a criminal and a pot head.
ReplyDeleteNothing the Government says about pot is truthful....NOTHING!
Back to the land of fruits and nuts....,,, and sheep!
BY the way the Senator from UTAH led the NO vote campaign in CA. Sen. (R)Orrin Hatch
You dumb a$$ people.
"Once upon a time in 1776 Thomas Jefferson signed his name on a piece of marijuana and this document was a symbol of freedom and liberty"
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song: Marijuana
i am horribly dissapointed in you, california. All this time, so many have tirelessly campaigned to legalize, and finally, a chance in a million, you had the chance. Good luck getting it on the ballot again and people taking you seriously, you fucked up.
ReplyDeleteNon-Profit? ... up here in Montana....INDOORS...I grow a pound for around 5 bucks... you can tell me it's non-profit when the price is close to that of high grade columbian coffee. You grow mostly outdoors in Cali which cuts the main cost of electricity...
ReplyDelete16 ounces per pound... you greedy folk charge upwards of $300 per ounce... what a joke that's almost $5,000 per pound...that costs $5 bucks to grow...And you have the balls to try to say you run a Non-Profit Corporation?!!!
California's huge marijuana industry will remain underground where people want it. Growers and dealers will continue to earn obscene profits... and not have to pay taxes on their profits (we average taxpayers will continue to pay higher taxes to make up for the taxes not collected from marijuana growers and dealers) . California will have less money to spend on things like education and infrastructure. Our education system ranked 47th out of 50 states can shoot for last place as we continue to make education budget cuts. At least our police can continue using marijuana as a tool for racial profiling. Our roads won't be as safe because we won't have money to spend on road maintainance. Our kids will continue using older more dangerous school buses. We'll have less money to spend on colleges and universities, but that's ok because we'll have fewer jobs that require an education. More Californians will end up working for the Mexican cartels since they will be one of the few employers in the state with an expanding budget. The medical marijuana sham/scam will continue to expand as the Mexican cartels to ingrain themselves into the fabric of California's economy. Of course, just as in the days of Prohibition, we can expect turf wars to erupt from time to time with the attendant violence that the Mexican cartels are so well known for. People who develop dependence problems with marijuana will have to continune to hide their addictions from employers, family and friends. As a matter of fact, all marijuana users will remain criminals and outside the mainstream. The hip criminal culture can continue to flourish. Prohibitionists can feel that they've proved that marinuana is the evil and immoral intoxicant that they said it was. Drug deals can continue to sell meth and ecstasy along with marijuana to our kids (and the cartels will definitely be increasing their sales force). The utility companies will continue to sell tons of electrictiy for indoor marijuana gardens. We'll be able to keep the grow houses operating in our neighborhoods (growing marijuana will be the best way for many people to keep their home in this economy). Of course are roads will be a bit more dangerous since we will keep more drunk drivers on the road (instead of staying home and smoking pot). But all in all it isn't so bad that prop 19 didn't pass.
ReplyDeleteBoo! To California for not fighting for freedom when they had the chance
ReplyDeleteI guess America isn't really free, it's just a hoax run by slave drivers who boss people around
ReplyDeleteRe: STOP THE STUPID PROPAGANDA AND DO SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY HELP AMERICA, INSTEAD OF CONTINUE TO HURT IT....!!!!.... Thank you for saying what I have been thinking all morning! It's amazing to me that people are so blind! I don't personally partake but I do use Hemp products (clothing, shampoo etc.) I think if more people knew the facts and were not so narrow minded America (California) would be a much nicer place to live... and maybe we would actually get some respect for a change!
ReplyDeleteWe want our Freedom you ingnorant uneducated fuckers!!
ReplyDeleteJohn Lennon is more popular than jesus so pack that up in your pipe and smoke it california
ReplyDeleteobviously most of you did not read the actual proposal, prop 19 was not going to legalize marijuana, it was actual going to put more restrictions on it and making it so only large companies would have been able to profit off it. I am a life long smoker, and I did not want this to pass. You people should read the proposal before you make ignormant uninformed statements. So you are aware STONERS STOPPED THIS FROM PASSING, not because trhey were to high to make it to the polls, but because they we smart enough to read the proposal and then vote to stop it from passing, here is the link if you want to know why. http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html
ReplyDeleteThank you for the web site. It seems like being ignorant is the only way to convince ignorant people
ReplyDeletehahahahahaah sucks for you potheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA succck ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
ReplyDeleteprop 19 means nothing. Marajuana is and will always be legal with or with out the support of the government
ReplyDeleteBoo! To the oppressors of America
ReplyDeleteI have a dream that one day marajuana smokers will be free of the oppression, discrimination and segregation that the united states has supported for so long, whether at work or in their homes. one day marajuana smokers will be free to drive and smoke and all ages of humans will be free to choose as they wish.
ReplyDeleteLegalized smoking would bring so much, the biggest thing I want is to not feel like an outcast, just because I smoke a good pipe instead of drinking a beer.
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